The saddest of all keys?
Discuss...
Bah! To make this more theory based, the notes to D minor (in the aeolian mode) are..
D E F G A Bb C
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The saddest of all keys?
Discuss...
Bah! To make this more theory based, the notes to D minor (in the aeolian mode) are..
D E F G A Bb C
You know, I'm going to have to agree with you.
A minor gets too close to C major, which is too happy, if not happy, not sad. Also, the Dorian mode is sad, solemn, and in all natural notes, the dorian is very close to D harmonic minor.
But then, just last week I learnt that there are no absolute tones. Depending on which temperament you use (there are a lot) the pitch of a note changes. Because of this, the sound of a key will change in different temperaments too. In ages past, some keys were completely disregarded because they just sounded shit. By that I mean the intervals in the scales just didn't match up.
Today, I think it's 'equal' temperament which is being popularly used, since it makes all keys playable (if imperfect).
Perhaps the question should read: The saddest key of all keys using equal temperament? :p
Did you guys just listen to Lick My Love Pump?
I did yes!
i believe the saddest key is Bb natural minor..it is accessible to penta-chords which allows it to be used in interesting ways as well.
What do you mean by penta-chord? A pentatonic scale?
Tetrachord (useful for memorizing the modes in a more abstract way)
Pentachord
Hexachord
Why don't you think other keys have access to pentachords?
I've never heard of a pentachord (the word)
I'm assuming it's something like E9 which had 5 notes in it...
erm.. dunno.
Well, in modern music it's thought of as a collection of five pitch classes. In ancient music, it has different connotations.
The pitch class C contains all C notes, no matter what register they happen to lie in.
I don't know what exactly autpt means by it. I'm just trying to figure out what his definition is. :bandit:
It’s a Perfect Fifth divided into four subintervals by five tones.
Most pentachords consist of a tetrachord with a whole tone added at either the top or bottom.
The addition of Hyperhypate, a tone which is 9/8 below the tonic to the Chromatic and Enharmonic Dorian modes converts the scale from two disjunct tetrachords separated by a 9/8 in one octave to one consisting of two conjunct pentachords spanning a Major Ninth (9/4).
So says my musical prodigy middle daughter.
Yo!
Not that this has any bearing on the subject, but you might as well know, that beside Lithuanian, I do not neither speak/read Serbian, Slovak, Slovenian or Romanian for that matter. :fooled:
That particular definition comes from John Chalmers' website (who's name I've never heard before). I haven't studied tuning systems with any seriousness, so...
I have the Helmholtz book (cause it's published by Dover and therefore cheap). Haven't read it. Harry Partch was extremely influenced by it, though.
Definitions of music terminology are sometimes different depending on the agenda of the composer or musicologist.
People are bored enough by music theory without microtonal music being the topic!
Does your daughter study composition? Is her focus performance? Both?
Anyway, my point was that (in modern music using 12 pitch classes) a pentachord can consist of any 5 pitch classes from 1-12. They don't have to be in sequential order as in your definition.
Georg Perle codified serial composition in the 60's. His books are easily accessible. I can't vouch for readability.
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Originally Posted by Roivas
I wouldn't be suprised if she read the site you are talking about at one time. Whenever she isn't actually playing on the piano, she is reading anything on musical theory, be it Western or Eastern. I know she has Hermann Helmholtz's On the Sensations of Tone. As well as, Harry Partch's Genesis of a Music, George Perle Twelve-Tone Tonality & Serial Composition and Atonality, and a great deal more. If it is worth having, she has me get it. haha
She is playing Beethoven's 29th Sonata (Hammerklavier), this Saturday. As well as Monk's Four in One and Powell's Un Poco Loco. :yeah:
I really would like to take credit for her abilities, but I was a hack at best. I also never bothered with actually learning any musical theory. I just played what was in front of me. haha
I will take credit for the taste in music.
Yo!
Good job!
When you find someone who really tries to compose...it's a little suprising in this day and age. I had to ask.
I can't resist music theory discussions. Pretty much kills any social situation, though.
If y'all live near Buffalo, let me know. Don't get to hear the Hammerklavier live much.
Re: your edit. The only reason why I stuck with it is because I met a composer (masters from Cal Arts) in my apartment building's laundry room like six years ago. He figured I was serious enough and gave me lessons. Still wish I had someone around to help me once and awhile.
I was raised with guitars around. I didn't like the limited repetory I had to work with. The sound of a classical guitar never did much for me. So I gave that up. I still play rock if the money's decent.
It's good you can relate to your daughter's musical tastes. My dad doesn't bother with "classical" or whatever we're supposed to call it.
I always thought F minor was the saddest of all keys, myself.
im sorry, what i meant by pentachords (in Bb minor) was the ACCESS to their qualities..because i am speaking of the piano, i am being ignorant to other idiomatics of other instruments..nonetheless, on the piano it is easier to facilitate these intervals because they are spaced so conveniently across the flats (sharps) of the signature. im not sure if i clarified this..but that's all i can think of right now as to how to explain the situation.
Okay, sorry. On the piano, it makes total sense.
The black keys makes for an easy pentatonic scale in Bb minor! Instant Chinese music, too.
Reminds me of that chopsticks-level piano trick where you roll across the 3 black keys (with a colsed fist, of course) and tap the C# twice, than roll back down and hit the lower D# twice...
I remember when I realized why that was a proper melody. It was as if I learned the secret to a magic trick.
im sorry, but i think that string of events makes me want to burn the piano.
err, all minors have the same saddness factor. they all follow the same progressions. i find keys more enjoyable simply if i have not played in them in a while, but i usualy play in e minor, c minor, or a minor. on acoustic guitar i play in f and f# minor a lot though.
Yes, the minor keys can follow the same progressions but each pitch really is different, even physically (the sound waves themselves). Perhaps the physical differences alone can change everything. I'm sure anyone with perfect pitch would think so...
Well I do,but that was a different topic ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa_Magotchi
It's also one of the most beautiful keys.
D-Minor is indeed the sadest sounding chord in the whole world, but it also a great one. It can change a song dramatically from major to minor at the simple change of two notes [guitar]. I love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keef