Yeah...I remember that...you made a very good point and they couldn't defend it so they took a personal attack!

Well I've learnt that those people only post one post and it's always in the thread titled "Eminem is dope" or whatever. People who go through the RM's FSS are normally the regulars and wouldn't post something like that. If they did I'd delete it anyway.

oh, you saw those posts under moby in electronic forum, cool. I thought most of you missed it cause haakon deleted them pretty fast.

now are we confused between sampling and ripping off? I am okay with sampling something and making it into something new. but ripping off is a no-no.

I didn't exactly see it but I remember you talking about it when it happened. I think I saw the start of it though!

Well what Moby did was he sampled people singing etc (for his album, Play) without asking them and then he didn't give them any recognition. I remember an interview with him and the interviewer asked him the question but he wouldn't answer it but just moved around the matter. The interviewer got really annoyed with him too! Anyway, he goes on about how he is a vegan and how people need to look after each other etc and then he does that. He's one messed up man.

He isn't exactly ripping off someone for copying their song, rather he uses parts of people songs and voices without their aproval. It's the same as other peoples examples earlier in the thread except Moby doesn't do it to anyone famous which is even worse.

Actually, that's exactly what I'm saying. Let's clear up the distinction so we can move forward.

Sampling: Grabbing some sounds from someone else's work to use in your own original work. Even though you use a piece of someone else's work, you owe them nothing, as our work is your own and not based solely upon theirs. Much like comedic parodies, celebrity voice impersonation, etc.

"Ripping Off": Stealing someone else's work in full, or to an extent that it is not an original piece of work. This is the kind of thing you get in trouble for - sued and the like. See previous comment on Vanilla Ice.

So no, Moby doesn't rip anyone off... he grabs things that sound good, plays with and manipulates them, and creates his own tunes. Much like I and many other people do at the moment. If I take, for example, a Moby tune and remix it - pull together a full CD worth of those types of tracks - then sell it publically, I owe Moby nothing as well. So, as you just said, no - he's not ripping them off.

On the other hand, Moby has traditionally been very good about giving credit where its due. I'm not saying he is perfect, but look at his old albums - Everything is Wrong, Early Underground, The end of Everthing, Into the Blue, etc... there were a lot of dues dolled out when he had no mandate to do so.

Perhaps fame has simply gone to his head recently? I know its definitely gone to his musical style... but hey, the end result is, he doesn't have to dish out credit anywhere. Whether I think his actions are right or wrong really have no bearing on what he's mandated to do.

And, of course, if you don't agree with me, I'll get mean and nasty and personal, and talk about doing nasty things to you and your family

Querty: Eminem is a talented dickhead. Moby knows how to use a box that can steal people's stuff. I'd make an arguement that anyone can leard how to do what Moby does before they could figure out Eminem. You don't have to like the guy, but he's got skills. And any MC has to stand up in front of people and deliver. You don't get to stand behind machines.........

I actually disagree with that in general, HC. For as much as it takes someone time to get used to freestyle rapping, and creating prose on the fly, it also takes someone time to develop the skills to hear beats, blend notes/scales/pitches, spin on tempo, and generally feel music. I really think any style of music takes very in depth and rigorous pursuit to become good at what you do. The time you put into your craft develops talent, and depending on how natural your aptitude is, the better you can become. On that tangent, I believe many artists have similar "levels" of artistry - Moby and Eminem for instance - not because one craft is harder than another, but that each craft takes its own form of intense dedication to become good.

And not to completely disagree with you, mind you - I personally believe that it takes more general "book-smart" intellegence to perform freestyle rap. And even after my years as a DJ, I find that freestyle is more challenging, and that I'm more suited for it if I want to have fun. I do, however, have a more natural affinity to mixing and matching beats - its just what I've practiced more.

it was you! i am so scared, where is my mommy?

I'm such a badass

No, You're just crazy!

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