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Old 05-13-2008, 01:20 PM   #31
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Old 05-13-2008, 01:20 PM   #32
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If I remember correctly, Wayne Shorter was on 'Bitches Brew'.



see now this is why he is brothaman.

3 points....would have been more but i expect even more from brothaman.
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:01 PM   #33
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Shape of Jazz to Come would be infinitely more practical than Beauty Is a Rare Thing.

God is represented, to say the least, poorly. Insultingly so. An extreme injustice deserving of ineffable damnation!



practical? they have two da bird boxsets which combined make up 18 cds. the three they have mentioned with him as leader total 19cds. wtf? they might as well have said his entire discography....which isnt a bad thing but not for a newbie.

i admit i added in the 'savoy & dial' boxset on my suggestions list....but i point out its the holy grail of da bird....as well as including several single cds with him.


also, they speak about dubious but include the versions released by proper or definitive....which in the u.s. are as dubious as you can get. they may be legal in europe but is in a piece in the new yorker.

with definitive its even more dubious because they straight rip-off new reissues from the u.s. and 're-remaster' and release them. by re-remastering them it saves them from being sued like the thieves they are. they also mention lack of liner notes and authoritative discographies....it was the proper, definitive and other similar companies all under the disconforme umbrella of companies 'which includes definitive' which Schaap was was referring to. they cant rip-off the liner notes and such which come with the u.s. releases.

i have no love for labels but this is the reason more than the illegal downloading which has put a monkey wrench into any releases from anything more than 50 years old.

why spend all that money to do a legal release, which requires approval from all the musicians and or their estates, hunt down all the best tapes of each recording which are available, do a proper mastering, packaging, marketing....

when definitive will just rip a copy no differently than those who rip cds and share them online, "remaster" 'something which is already 20 or 24 bit remastered' and put it in some cheap packaging and have a larger profit margin.

on top of which the musicians or their estates who have been screwed already in the past by labels are now getting screwed even more so when there is a chance for a larger income to be made.


even jsp has been somewhat dubious since john r.t. davies 'who was one of the great engineers' died.




yes, in this day and age it really doesnt matter....but if theyre going to go through the trouble to add in the labels....at least put the ones which doesnt screw the musicians and fans.

each one of those mentioned have a u.s. version available which could have been mentioned. also, as grasshoppa panbient mentioned....this is meant for newbies....no real fan would need a list like that....we all already have a top 100. including so many box sets is just a sure fire way of making sure theyre not bought.

next time mosaic records releases anything older than 50 years....check to see how fast the thieves at definitive will have a version released, afterwards.



one handed satchmo strikes, baby!

finally breaks off a little somethin' somethin'....


now someone pass the single malt on the left hand side....that was tiring as hell....and i still havent even gotten around to the list.


right now, 1958 is the cut-off point. just think of how much great music wont be seeing the light of day or getting a proper remastering because of these thieves and with each year more will be added to that list.
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:18 PM   #34
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I was so happy with my 2 points, but now it seems they are worth almost nothing.
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:21 PM   #35
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its the reason all those other recordings which were discovered of a late at the library of congress will most likely never be released. i am talking about the recent lester young from last year, those recordings by sonny rollins, lady day, and others which were made at the same event which included da monk and coltrane at carnegie hall.
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:21 PM   #36
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I was so happy with my 2 points, but now it seems they are worth almost nothing.



huh?
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:26 PM   #37
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just in case the hint was not noticed.


boycott all things disconforme!


YO!
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:30 PM   #38
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huh?

Well, it was only a joke. 2 points are not that big when there are others around with 30 points, but I wasn't being serious.
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:39 PM   #39
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Well, it was only a joke. 2 points are not that big when there are others around with 30 points, but I wasn't being serious.


da monk and da brothaman were mentioned, baby!
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:50 PM   #40
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practical? they have two Bird boxsets which combined make up 18 cds. the three they have mentioned as leader total 19cds. wtf? they might as well have said his entire discography....which isnt a bad thing but not for a newbie.

i admit i added in the 'savoy & dial' boxset on my suggestions list....but as well as several single cds with him.


also, they speak about dubious but include the versions released by proper or definitive....which in the u.s. are as dubious as you can get. they may be legal in europe but is in a piece in the new yorker.

with definitive its even more dubious because they straight rip-off new reissues from the u.s. and 're-remaster' and release them. by re-remastering them it saves them from being sued like the thieves they are. they also mention lack of liner notes and authoritative discographies....it was the proper, definitive and other similar companies all under the disconforme umbrella of companies 'which includes definitive' which Schaap was was referring to. they cant rip-off the liner notes and such which come with the u.s. releases.

i have no love for labels but this is the reason more than the illegal downloading which has put a monkey wrench into any releases from anything more than 50 years old.

why spend all that money to do a legal release, which requires approval from all the musicians and or their estates, hunt down all the best tapes of each recording which are available, do a proper mastering, packaging, marketing....

when definitive will just rip a copy no differently than those who rip cds and share them online, "remaster" 'something which is already 20 or 24 bit remastered' and put it in some cheap packaging and have a larger profit margin.

on top of which the musicians or their estates who have been screwed already in the past by labels are now getting screwed even more so when there is a chance for a larger income to be made.


even jsp has been somewhat dubious since john r.t. davies 'who was one of the great engineers' died.




yes, in this day and age it really doesnt matter....but if theyre going to go through the trouble to add in the labels....at least put the ones which doesnt screw the musicians and fans.

each one of those mentioned have a u.s. version available which could have been mentioned. also, as grasshoppa panbient mentioned....this is meant for newbies....no real fan would need a list like that....we all already have a top 100. including so many box sets is just a sure fire way of making sure theyre not bought.

next time mosaic records releases anything older than 50 years....check to see how fast the thieves at definitive will have a version released, afterwards.



one handed satchmo strikes, baby!

finally breaks off a little somethin' somethin'....


now someone pass the single malt on the left hand side....that was tiring as hell....and i still havent even gotten around to the list.


right now, 1958 is the cut-off point. just think of how much great music wont be seeing the light of day or getting a proper remastering because of these thieves and with each year more will be added to that list.


I think the sad matter of the fact is most common listeners simply don't consider such things when they purchase music. As long as such information remains relatively out of sight, it will remain out of mind.

Most of us here are against these lists, and we always bitch about them when they come out. We should just start an anti-top 100 group and, as you would say, drop the knowledge. Listmute!


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