Ha, ha, but I like to painfully lead an individual to the same conclusion with their own arguments!

absolutely everything that has anything to do with any human being boils down to one thing.

influence.

I hink it's ok if you had this discussion a million times already, it is a music forum afterall.
Is there really anything, in which everyone on the whole planet can agree on? I really don't think so, but the real important thing is to consider all the points of view.
I know that my enjoyment of music has nothing to do with it’s own definition, but do you really think it’s a waste of time to stop and think a little on how would you define music?

Roivas:
I can explain you with my own perspective why the crying of a baby is not music, but I think it would be more appropiate for you to answer the question, why when you always hear a baby cry you call that music?

So here goes my answer:
A baby's cry is not always music because of it’s own nature of being. When a sound exists without the porpuse of using it for create music is just a sound, not music.

So to understand the real difference between music and non-music, you first have to divide the sounds that were created or used for the porpuse of making music, and the sounds in which their only nature radicates on the simple fact of being.

Hit the music!

I never said that was the case.

The nature of its being determines whether or not it's music?

From what source did you get this idea from?

hit the lights!!!

Yes that's exactly my point.

Music is an art form, and Ernst Gombrich defined art as "a human activity, made with the intention of stimulating the human senses as well as the human mind; by transmitting emotions and/or ideas". So basically I would say it is the same idea.

Are there any more questions for me to answer?
So what's exactly your point, or where do you wanna go? because I would like to hear your points of view also.

Ok, you want a question....


You don't happen to be the the copy/paste/plagiarizer formerly known as katelynndevere?

What about a bird singing? I have heard some pretty musical churps.

Music to my ears.

A river. A breeze rustling through a canopy. Howling wolves. Faint thunder over nearby peaks. Creaks and moans of a glacier. Dead leaves scraping along the ground, being pushed by the wind.

Only sounds?

We need to put a definition on music and organize it because we're not able of producing nor any longer able to understand music as it exists Naturally.

Pseudonymous, if I may, I believe you're not capable of listening to a thing.