“There are two kinds of music. Good music, and the other kind."


-- Duke Ellington




That you happen to like the other kind is your right....but I have better things to do with my life than waste it listening to dime-a-dozen groups/musicians.


Like someone still in elementary school/high school (and I still have a hard time believing you're really 21, I would add.) you insult that which you don't understand.

Music history (and all The Arts, for that matter) are filled with those who sold millions at one time and are barely remembered only a few years later....let alone decades or centuries later. It's also filled with those who didn't sell much of anything who are still remembered decades and centuries afterwards.



If you actually bothered to read my posts and could actually understand what you read....you would have found I listen to almost every genre and a great many sub-genres in those genres. Music recorded this year to music several hundred centuries. There is just too much really great music to be a close-minded Ostrich like you....as well as wasting it on the banal.


Unlike you and those like you....people with any taste in anything don't base what they like on what sells....


And this isn't limited to music, alone. The amount of sales something may have isn't a measuring stick of it's quality. If you ever took a Economics and/or Marketing course and stayed awake through them....you would know that.


Pick any John Grisham book and it has sold more books than all James Joyce and William Faulkner's books combined.....the first is a complete hack who writes books for the masses who don't want to have to actually use their brains. Pick any of the three Spiderman films and anyone of them has made more money and has been seen by more people than all Ingmar Bergman's films combined....which brings me back to fans of Mainstream music. With every passing decade it's more about a cookie cutter mentality with the labels and something which isn't too complicated for the fans.....Lowest Common Denominator.


In the end it's disposable music and the musicians/bands are interchangeable.



You generalize about entire genres of music and time periods of music. Somewhat similar to how close-minded people generalize about entire Races, Religions, etc....

Great music/musicians/bands will continue long after anyone posting on RM currently is still above ground.....and like always the s**t will be forgotten over time.



Also, if you had any clue about what you were talking about....you would realize just how important Jazz was to Rock as a genre and the musicians/bands over the years.




As I pointed out to you in my last wasted response to you.....you make fun of MTV's fans of today.....but you're just the 90's version of them.

i never said that. i just like what i like. linkin park sells a lot and i dont like them. rap too.


so everyone in the world is stupid and your the only one who knows anything, yeah i get it.

ok, how the hell do you compare cs with britney spears. cs writes their own songs and lyrics and play their own instruments...and they write damn good songs too id say.

and i dont know how you can have a generic melody if its original and ive never heard a cs song song like anything else than cs...well, ok a couple songs on s/t sound like pearl jam and a couple off disciplined breakdown sound like U2, but otherwise.

I'm not even going to touch this one. It's not worth the effort.

He's all yours.

so now im also a bigot and racist because i like collective soul? wow man

I could name bands they sound like - and in may cases a particular song they are emulating. I hear the chord changes coming before they happen. They offer just about nothing emotionally, which is a big reason they did so well for a while. Your definition of "original" differs strongly from mine.

As for the Britney Spears reference, they have a lot more in common than you think. They also have a lot in common with Linkin Park, who also play their own instruments and write their own songs. Rubber-stamped "sounds like" music does well not just in the CD players, but in movie soundtracks, televsion ads, and even TV shows. This fact defies genre. I am glad you find joy in their music, that's what they would be happy to hear as well.

You'd do well to understand their place in music instead of constantly lashing out with completely false assessments of genres you don't like or understand. You probably haven't noticed that at least two other posters, who have a much larger understanding of music in general, have admitted to liking some of Collective Soul's music without any sort of embarrassment. So it's not some sort of elitist thing at work here. If you knew more about music in general, that might actually increase your appreciation of the band, but it would definitely improve your exceedingly narow perspective.

do you play any instruments, shamemaker?

Man I'm offline for a weekend and this originally harmless thread turns into a slugfest...

I can't remember ever listening to CS, so I really don't know what they are like. They couldn't be as bad as CREED?? Could they??

their songs get stuck in my head a lot more than creed's. and they're both christian rock bands. but yeah CS sucks less than creed. i'm also positive you heard 'shine' and 'gel' back in the 90s. you probably hated them but i'm sure you heard them.