ok i can maybe see some of creed being inferior but why do you think cs is inferior - compared to what

i mean, yeah theyre not nirvana or peal jam or soundgarden or anything but they really know how to write a rocking pop song

cancer vs. aids

Actually, as I much as I dislike CS, I just can't equate them to the bottom scrapers. There might not be a worse alt-rock band than Creed.

Collective Soul gave us "alternative" music for people that wanted to look cool but were afraid to stretch their listening habits. Like the more recent Coldplay, they play an important role in the music business, not in what they contribute to music overall, but how they can manipulate listening habits and steer reluctant listeners to spend money in genres and subgenres they would normally avoid. Linkin Park is another recent example of this type of "hybrid" success (unless you think their debut's title came about by accident). There are a lot of solid fence riders that don't challenge listeners in any way while allowing them to pretend they are "branching out."

Obviously I am pointing out benefits to the suits. There is actually a less cynical way to look at it. I am certain numerous listeners who liked what they heard took the plunge into areas they might have otherwise avoided. Some careful scouring of the RM forums would probably help prove this out. Everyone needs to start somewhere; as I have admitted before, I might not have ever known what The Prisoner was if not for Iron Maiden's song. Dave Brubeck's Time Out (and not, as has been reported in other forums, my fandom of the rock bands Steely Dan and Traffic) was one of the albums that ultimately led me into exploring the vast world of jazz, a place where I continue to be both completely lost and completely amazed at the same time. Unlike a lot of people, I actually still think that is a solid album, even though I could probably play most of Brubeck's parts and I serioulsy want to beat Eugene Wright with a cast iron skillet.

Creed, by contrast, merely suck. There is nothing else to say.

EDIT: Dammit, this was the thread in which I promised to keep my mouth shut. Sorry...panbient's post threw me off

Translation:


The unabridged version of what Satchmo said.








P.S. You might want to edit "wast world"....unless you were purposely channeling ....in that case never mind.










P.S. It should be pointed out that you couldn't pay me to listen to either one. For me, they would be equivalent to The Bay City Rollers or Linkin Park for you youngins....not that you could have paid me to to listen to either of those, or any of the generic and watered down mainstream bands who are also interchangeable no matter decade in question, either.

Yeah I just re-read and had to fix some typos..also I got the name of the album confused with the name of the song KILL THE WABBIT!

EDIT: So did Bugs Bunny get anyone into Wagner?

I think that's a bit far. They're terrible, but they're not going to kill anyone.

P.P.S. As long as I concentrate on DA MEN aka Paul Desmond & Joe Morello and zone out the two hacks....I have no problems with any of Brubeck's recordings from that Quartet. It's unfortunate Desmond was contractually not allowed to record with any other piano players while he was in that group.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKQlzsSZ8t8

damn when i first read this i thought you said fair

and yeah if i had to chose CS would be the easy winner. i'll fess up to having liked that album with december on it when it came out in 97ish but even then i knew as i started hearing it everywhere that it wasn't really saying anything.

Classic!