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Thank you for your reply Roivas, really comparing all the posts to yours, really tell me you are the smarter, wiser, and then you are the one who has all the answers. So why don't you shine as all with your wisdom?
Now coming back to the real world, you are saying that you don't care how subjective music is, and that's your main problem.
Satch thank you for your reply, I'm really learning a lot. Now I have my last question for this moment. Af all the subgenres you mentioned above. Which artists are the most important of each subgenre? and what's the difference between each subgenre? (you did explain the last ones, but the first ones I don't have idea)
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I don't know which Free Improv recording you have heard but it's on the best ones were out of the chaos that the musicians come together. There still won't be much if any melody but they're still working off what all the others are doing.
Like every genre, you will find wankers along the lines of John Petrucci.
If you want to hear a Free Improv cutting contest, I would suggest the live recording that is Cecil Taylor'sNailed. A lot of bad blood between Evan Parker and Tony Oxley (which was a result of the bad blood between Evan Parker and Derek Bailey) lead to a fierce masterpiece. There is a reason it's called Nailed....it also wasn't released until 10-years after it was recorded because of the bad blood.
most of the free improv i've heard usually involved fennesz or john zorn and / or mike patton (thanks to late night cbc radio). it's not that i don't like the chaos, it's that i don't see why a little bit of order can't come from it. maybe i'm just not expressing myself correctly on this. when all the individuals come together through the chaos and emerge as one is where it is at for me. i guess i was just referring to that element of cohesion as the melody of the chaos or something.
i'll definitely be keeping an eye open for that cecil taylor action.
as for the mingus and dolphy clips.... well i'm just gonna go ahead and call that a late b-day gift hehehe
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Thank you for your reply Roivas, really comparing all the posts to yours, really tell me you are the smarter, wiser, and then you are the one who has all the answers. So why don't you shine as all with your wisdom?
Now coming back to the real world, you are saying that you don't care how subjective music is, and that's your main problem.
You're probably listening to Albert Ayler while sitting back and having a laugh at the expenses of the well-meaning members of this board.
Shameful, really.
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You're probably listening to Albert Ayler while sitting back and having a laugh at the expenses of the well-meaning members of this board.
I actually have considered that.
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most of the free improv i've heard usually involved fennesz or john zorn and / or mike patton (thanks to late night cbc radio). it's not that i don't like the chaos, it's that i don't see why a little bit of order can't come from it. maybe i'm just not expressing myself correctly on this. when all the individuals come together through the chaos and emerge as one is where it is at for me. i guess i was just referring to that element of cohesion as the melody of the chaos or something.
i'll definitely be keeping an eye open for that cecil taylor action.
as for the mingus and dolphy clips.... well i'm just gonna go ahead and call that a late b-day gift hehehe
1. I will have to get back to you and KG (he's probably down with Cecil, anyhoo. )
2. I am not sure what Zorn you're talking about since he doesn't play Free Imrov.....Depending on which one of his projects it's
Avant-Garde
Post Bop
Free Jazz
or a combination of them. As has been mentioned in Grasshoppa Roivas'infamousJohn Zorn thread....Zorn cranks out a great deal of compositions in a short time period for all his projects.
3. You're welcome on DA MINGUS and DA DOLPY.
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Now coming back to the real world, you are saying that you don't care how subjective music is, and that's your main problem.
I stopped worrying about "deep philosophical problems" when I was a teenager.
Anyway...if Gustav Mahler and Bon Jovi are subjectively equal, then the "subjective method" of evaluating art is useless to me.
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