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Old 10-17-2007, 06:43 PM   #41
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12. Kind of Blue, Miles Davis
47. A Love Supreme, John Coltrane
94. Bitches Brew, Miles Davis
102. Giant Steps, John Coltrane
246. The Shape of Jazz to Come, Ornette Coleman
356. Sketches of Spain, Miles Davis
454. Getz/Gilberto, Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto Featuring Antonio Carlos Jobim


A sentimental list for me...those (particularly the first five, and Kind of Blue first and foremost) were the first jazz recordings I really listened to, besides Buddy Rich, which was just for the drumming. In other words, the first jazz I listened to for the music. Say what you will about Rolling Stone, if it weren't for them and that list there's a chance I wouldn't be the jazz fan I am today (only a chance though, there were other large contributing factors, as well).

Anyway, if KenG ends up a serious jazz fan, I think that'll top the conversion of Geryon from arriving as a Slipknot fan to the excellent musical taste he has today.
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:22 PM   #42
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yeah i hear you on that. my main gripe with most free improv i hear though is that it seems like most of the performers are simply improvising in their own light as opposed to working together as a unit. they're more hung up on the idea of improvising their own voice rather than improvising as part of the combined whole of the band they're within. it's like when people hear melody they think structure and when they hear atonalities they think improvisation and most improvisers seem to cater to that stereotype. or maybe i'm the stereotyper in this situation.

Free improv is like chaos, if the performers start to sound as a group or as a whole, it won't be free improv anymore. At least for me that's the beauty of it, there are no patterns, no cycles, and you can't expect what's coming next. This can be the most primitive instict way to make/listen music, but at the same time the most complex. At least that's what I think, and I might be wrong.
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:41 PM   #43
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Free improv is like chaos, if the performers start to sound as a group or as a whole, it won't be free improv anymore.

why not? if they get there randomly and continue to make it up as it happens why is it no longer free improv? why do they have to remain as individuals rather than working together to become an individual?
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Old 10-17-2007, 09:25 PM   #44
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I don't know which Free Improv recording you have heard but it's on the best ones were out of the chaos that the musicians come together. There still won't be much if any melody but they're still working off what all the others are doing.

Like every genre, you will find wankers along the lines of John Petrucci.


If you want to hear a Free Improv cutting contest, I would suggest the live recording that is Cecil Taylor's Nailed. A lot of bad blood between Evan Parker and Tony Oxley (which was a result of the bad blood between Evan Parker and Derek Bailey) lead to a fierce masterpiece. There is a reason it's called Nailed....it also wasn't released until 10-years after it was recorded because of the bad blood.
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P.S. For a few years/recordings Evan Parker (who is one of the best in Free Improv history) would fall into a circular breathing wankfest. It's one thing to break it out for some sort of musical statement....it's another thing when you're doing it for an hour or so straight. To paraphrase dblecros....Cock Jazz.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:25 PM   #46
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Anyway, if KenG ends up a serious jazz fan, I think that'll top the conversion of Geryon from arriving as a Slipknot fan to the excellent musical taste he has today.



Satchmo imagines sometime in the future when than Grandfather/Grandmother KG first explains how/why they are in The Factory* still working off The Debit....by telling the story of how he/she went from being a Kenny G fan to being ONE with The Way of Satchmo.







All the while the grandchildren looking in disbelief at what must be some sort of fairy tale. Satchmo is real and still alive? WTF?


as in....


The Revolution will Not be televised, BABY!



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P.S. Of course, Satchmo will still be above ground at the age of 409 and still dropping knowledge on the new breed of Grasshoppas.





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Old 10-17-2007, 11:15 PM   #47
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Anyway, if KenG ends up a serious jazz fan, I think that'll top the conversion of Geryon from arriving as a Slipknot fan to the excellent musical taste he has today.




And now the translation:



Hot damn....someone finally has shown up whose descendants will be even deeper in debit than I ever could be. The only way anyone can get any deeper is if The Ultimate Horror were involved.


Get down with my bad self!




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Old 10-18-2007, 12:02 AM   #48
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Anyway, if KenG ends up a serious jazz fan, I think that'll top the conversion of Geryon from arriving as a Slipknot fan to the excellent musical taste he has today.
I was thinking the same thing
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Coltrane went through several phases in his career that started in Bop/Hard Bop and ended up very close to Free Improv. by the time of his death.





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MONK!



DA MONK was one of those who was in his own Universe and Dimension....his music wasn't really Bop.....which is why it took most fans 20-years to get a clue. Even all these years later....musicians still haven't really grasped a great many of his compositions.
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