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Old 04-27-2007, 08:17 AM   #1
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What is Music all about ?

Hi,

I'm nowadays more into Indian Classical Music.. Its really sounding as if coming from another planet. It carries you away!

And this is my favorite Artist for
Indian Classical Music:

http://www.biswabratachakrabarti.com
Hes a a Sitar player with a vocalist background.

Check it out..
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Old 04-27-2007, 11:25 AM   #2
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i consider music to be the native language of the right side of the brain.
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Old 04-27-2007, 12:56 PM   #3
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"Music is the pleasure of the human soul experiences from counting without being aware that it is counting. "

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Old 04-27-2007, 12:59 PM   #4
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i consider music to be the native language of the right side of the brain.



And as you know it's a language of numbers, which is controlled by the left hemisphere of the brain.
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Old 04-28-2007, 12:59 AM   #5
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And as you know it's a language of numbers, which is controlled by the left hemisphere of the brain.

see this is where i'll agree to disagree. i don't see why one side has to dominate the other. i won't deny that we're essentially a giant 1 or 0. but i like to believe that music in it's purest form can exist without needing to be controlled by the numbers. it's basically the difference between consciously considering the harmony, melody, and rhythms as opposed to simply expressing them as they occur dynamically.

basically i really like how eric dolphy puts it at the end of last date

"when you hear music, after it's over, it's gone in the air. you can never capture it again"

and basically the way i take that statement is similar to what i believe coltrane was trying to express on interstellar space where the music becomes it's own entity free from the math that controls US. it's like they were both trying to reach a point where they didn't need to rely on the left side anymore and could open the right side all the way. to me that's what 'real' music is about.

i'm not denying the place of conventional music and how it encompasses both sides of the brain. it's just that for me it seems limiting to have to, in a sense, compromise one's vision in order to implement recognizable mathematic patters so that average listeners can more easily latch onto your music. basically i'd rather not have to rely on 3 mathematic concepts to support one artistic ideal.

maybe i'm being pretentious or maybe i'm just seriously not interested in having to follow the same path of having to compose tunes in order to be a 'serious' musician. funny how i get the impression out here in my local scene that i'm not a 'serious' musician since all i really want to do is play music instead of writing tunes and practicing set lists and playing shows...
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:04 AM   #6
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Quote:
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see this is where i'll agree to disagree. i don't see why one side has to dominate the other. i won't deny that we're essentially a giant 1 or 0. but i like to believe that music in it's purest form can exist without needing to be controlled by the numbers. it's basically the difference between consciously considering the harmony, melody, and rhythms as opposed to simply expressing them as they occur dynamically.

basically i really like how eric dolphy puts it at the end of last date

"when you hear music, after it's over, it's gone in the air. you can never capture it again"

and basically the way i take that statement is similar to what i believe coltrane was trying to express on interstellar space where the music becomes it's own entity free from the math that controls US. it's like they were both trying to reach a point where they didn't need to rely on the left side anymore and could open the right side all the way. to me that's what 'real' music is about.

i'm not denying the place of conventional music and how it encompasses both sides of the brain. it's just that for me it seems limiting to have to, in a sense, compromise one's vision in order to implement recognizable mathematic patters so that average listeners can more easily latch onto your music. basically i'd rather not have to rely on 3 mathematic concepts to support one artistic ideal.

maybe i'm being pretentious or maybe i'm just seriously not interested in having to follow the same path of having to compose tunes in order to be a 'serious' musician. funny how i get the impression out here in my local scene that i'm not a 'serious' musician since all i really want to do is play music instead of writing tunes and practicing set lists and playing shows...



Or maybe you just misunderstood what I was alluding to. The reason music connects with us is it allows both sides of our hemispheres to communicate.
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:13 AM   #7
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Most people go through life not knowing the mathematical properties of music or anything else. As I have mentioned before, I on the other hand hear and see everything that way first, however, it's the right hemisphere that allows me to appreciate the beauty and/or joy of the music and other things. Without it, it would all be mathematical formulas to me.

But it's also the left hemisphere that allows me to undertand all the hidden things the composers/musicians have added in that most will miss....Bach and Shostakovich's use of Numerology.


DA MONK's humorous passages....and so on.
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:27 AM   #8
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it's all good. i tend to focus too much on one side or the other. i was all about the numbers when i first started learning (mainly due to learning from tab) so i think i might be subconsciously trying to compensate for that by trying to completely eschew the numbers when i play now. eventually i'll find my own balance and if other people can hear it too, then all the better or something hehe
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Old 04-28-2007, 04:56 PM   #9
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I agree with Satchmo here. After going to creative writting class for a semester now, where we learned to write songs, I only learned a tiny fraction of what music really is and the first thing I learned is that it is pretty much impossible to create music without using one side of the brain only, unless being extremely lucky, but I don't believe in that. Now that I know what it takes to come up with music, when listening to music I do the same thing, but instead of using the right part first and then the left one as I do when creating, I do the opposite and I do appreciate music a lot more this way. Most of this was done unconsciously before, that is usually why there are things that sometimes bother us in certain music.
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Old 04-28-2007, 05:06 PM   #10
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that is usually why there are things that sometimes bother us in certain music.


What usually is the cause of this is the listener having Absolute pitch (or more commonly known as Perfect Pitch) and either not knowing it and/or not knowing music theory.
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