Guardian's 50 Influential Albums - Page 2

Satchmo8101 · 07-24-2006, 11:27 PM

Keep in mind, the lp didn't start being marketed until 1948 and 45's in 1949.

Robert Johnson's songs were released as singles on 10" 78's. It's because of this, most of the older songs are under 3 minutes. It's also why 3 minutes for a song became the standard for such a long time, even after lps cam into existence. The 12" 78's could hold close to 5 minutes.

Which goes to my point, if you're going to include a Robert Johnson compiliation on that list, Miles, and Herbie....you have to include Armstrong's Hot Five and Sevens....and in the top two or three if not #1 if you want to be accurate.

Satchmo8101 · 07-24-2006, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzfromhell

He was saying that without Sly Stone, What's Going On never would've come out the way it did, therefore Sly should be higher on the list than Marvin. His sentence was an abbreviated version of "If you had no Sly Stone, you would have no What's Going On."

The two volumes of King of the Delta Blues Singers were released in the late 60's, they were compilations put together a long time after his death. Billie, Ella, and Sarah all have plenty of albums, but I think it'd be difficult to pinpoint one as their most influential.

Sly isn't even that list. What's Goin On is my favorite by Marvin, but if Sly hadn't been so successful....Berry Gordy wouldn't have never let Gaye record it. Including politics and social commentary wasn't what Motown was doing.

Jugalo4ever · 07-24-2006, 11:41 PM

It looked like they did a pretty good job of giving credit!!

Mr.Soul · 07-26-2006, 11:50 PM

I think it's great that half the artists mentioned in the "Without this" sections are artists the world would probably be better without. The creators of this list really don't make a compelling argument about the greatness of an album when they start saying things like, "Without this ... no Eminem, no 50 Cent..."

But statements like this really irk me:

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9 Elvis Presley
Elvis Presley (1956)

Without this ... no King, no rock and roll madness, no Beatles first album, no pop sex symbols.

Now certainly Elvis had a monumental impact on popular music, but to say that rock and roll essentially wouldn't exist, or that the Beatles never would have come about without him is really a bit much.

And I'm not saying this specifically about Elvis, but all the artists that are basically credited with creating the careers of artists who followed in a similar style. I'd say it's really a disservice to deny those subsequent artists credit for their own personal innovations in music. For all we know some of these "influencers" may have stifled creativity among new generations by setting a standard for popular music.

Edit: I'm using a terrible monitor at the moment. I can barely tell if what I've written is coherent, sorry...

TheZola · 07-27-2006, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Soul

I think it's great that half the artists mentioned in the "Without this" sections are artists world would probably be better without. The creators of this list really don't make a compelling argument about the greatness of an album when they start saying things like, "Without this ... no Eminem, no 50 Cent..."

But statements like this really irk me:
Now certainly Elvis had a monumental impact on popular music, but to say that rock and roll essentially wouldn't exist, or that the Beatles never would have come about without him is really a bit much.

Agreed.

No 50 Cent, no problem.

Elvis was basically a cover artist who stole his stage presence from Wynonie Harris. He's lucky he was white.

T Bogus · 07-29-2006, 02:11 AM

I didn't expect that kind of a list.

Didn't seem very bad to me