Yeah, but I daresay, that Syd's influence continued in the band after he left more powerfully than when he was actually in it. And there's not many bands you can say that about, if any.

I do think Floyd pussed-out when they ditched Syd and it's a kind of shallowness to make The Wall and Wish You Were Here trying to be like they're all about the guy. Syd was trying to push the band in a far more intense avant-garde direction but they couldn't handle it. Still, though, the difference between post-Syd Floyd and post-Waters Floyd is that post-Syd Waters era Floyd is some of the finest rock'n'roll ever made whereas post-Waters Floyd is just average.

You can't be a professional band with someone that chooses to go "comatose" in the middle of a performance. They did what any other band would have done.

And that was on his good days. At least, he didn't do a Skip Spence.

Even if Syd wasn't fired (if you believe he was fired, and didn't quit), he wouldn't have lasted long with his mental condition. He went completely over the edge by 1970.

and it's a kind of shallowness to make The Wall and Wish You Were Here trying to be like they're all about the guy.

I can't understand this sentiment at all. How can you say that? Really? You don't think that their thoughts on Syd really inspired their writing of those albums? I never cared for The Wall really but Wish You Were Here is entirely too magical to be considered inauthentic. To me, at least.

I absolutely love both of those albums. I think Floyd is a great example of shallow people making great works of art. You know that Waters had Rick Wright put on an hourly wage while touring The Wall. It's just a classic example of the incredible rockstar ego. The keyboards provided the sonic texture that seperated Floyd from the average (not the only factor but a completely essential factor) but to Waters he was no better than a hired hand or a roadie. Plus, all their bickering and boohooing each other in public. As people, they're really pathetic. They were making millions and millions but they couldn't get past their huge egos to work together as a team. So instead of the five or six further Wall calibre albums we're stuck with Radio Kaos and A Momentary Lapse of Reason.

Townsend is another great example. It's hilarious the way he dismisses Moon's and now Entwhistle's contributions as if it's really The Who without them. Say what you will about the ego driveness of Zep but at least they didn't pretend they were still the same band with Bonham.

Since Syd's illness, Pink Floyd has always been about Waters and Gilmour. As long as you had those two in the group, you could find replacements for the other two. If it wasn't Waters treating Wright and Mason as caddies, it would be Gilmour later on.

Wright wouldn't have been fired while they made The Wall and than made part of the back-up band, without Gilmour agreeing to it.

It's not like Gilmour and Mason treated Wright any better after Waters left....

After Final Cut, Pink Floyd was Gilmour and Mason with Wright as their sideman. Because he couldn't handle the drumming anymore Mason had to be replaced for the majority of Momentary Lapse of Reason, which basically was a Gilmour solo project.


In the case of The Who, the were on the verge of firing Keith before he died. They came real close while recording Who Are You.....he could barely play the drums because of his addictions and weight.

Since they knew they were most likely going to have to fire Keith, they didn't have a problem continuing without him. The problem Entwhistle and Daltry had with Kenny Jones; was Pete insisting he be made a full member and get full shares.

,I do agree it's a mockery at this point that they're still calling it The Who.

Do you have a source regarding that they were considering firing Moon?

It came out after his death.


Keith's addictions and playing had gotten so bad, that the other members of the band threatened to kick him out of the band in the middle of recording, Who are You. Keep in mind, that both Pete and John had their own serious addiction at this time, as well. It just lets you know, just how bad Keith's condition was.

One time he is supposed to have taken eight elephant tranquilizers in San Francisco and somehow survived. He couldn't move or play. He was in a wheelchair for two days. Pete even has a Super-8 film of when we brought him off the plane in a wheelchair. The doctor is supposed to have told them "His heart is only beating once every 30 seconds! He's clinically dead!" And Keith mumbled, "Fuck off."


In the two years after By Numbers, Keith was having a hard time playing drums. He was overweight and seriously out of shape, and his addictions only added to that. He was so concerned that he even bought an electric drum set. He never ended up using it.

The reason Keith is not playing drums on Music Must Change was that he couldn't handle the 6/8 time of the song. Therefore, they added a recording of Pete's footsteps and a milk bottle rolling for the percussion.

Keith's weight is the reason he is sitting straddling the chair on the cover of, Who Are You.

There is not one song, which contains live ensemble playing by the group on, Who are You. It's the first time that happened on a Who recording. The simple reason being Keith’s condition.

Well, they still pulled off a good record cause I really like Who Are You.