They are essentialy a Sex Pistols tribute band.

Oh, that's nice. At least they spare us their self-written BS, unlike Green Day.

no they dont

They don't? Those a$$holes! I hope they die!

In my opinion, I think punk was a plus. It started a new era and way of rock music, a different kind. I mean there's good punk music, as well as not so good punk music. This music brings up a lot of opinions towards it, but I just think it's a plus because it's something different and something unique!

None of you guys are really answering what I thought was a fairly obvious argument. I'm not trying to plant another, "Oh, SUM41 sucks. What ever happened to good old...?" The point is: while punk generated a fair body of good music, punk was inevitably self-destructive; and yet instead of going out cleanly, some form of punk lingered on for 30 years in various states of relative lameness. Punks supposedly adopted a 'no-bullshit' stance--no solos, no keyboards, no compromise--but punk as a style was so contradictory and careless that after the completion of its initial fertile periods, both in England and in the US), vastly inferior bands somehow acquired classic status (GBH, Subhumans, Bad Religion; furthermore, I also consider many contemporaneous 1st wave Brit-punk bands fairly mediocre, such as the Vibrators, Sham 69; frankly, alot of the Damned's catalog is also downright unjustifiable.)

It seems to me like the whole punk fixation with rock 'bullshit' ended up virtually cancelling out all of the good that came with punk. After a while, it gets to be 'no bullshit,' yeah, but nothing good either. The family failure of punk is bad taste, and this in only exacerbated by the DIY culture it encapsulates. Taken together, this explains why today punk is this continuum of embarrassments: on one end, you have the celophane-pop that roams the airwaves, and on the other you have the stultifying mediocrity of hardcore. Punk is all too inviting to people who have bad taste. There is no equivalent to the top 10 in punk; instead there is the inexorable DIY ethic; hence, virtually no motivation to improve or progress.

At the same time, you will probably be thinking, "Wait a minute--these are exactly the qualities I LIKE about punk." Punk's good qualities are also its worst enemies. The question ultimately becomes: Why can't we as listeners expect or find with any consistency both punk honesty, and high quality?

I don't think that we should wish Punk had never happened. There are infinitely many direct and indirect positive influences that punk had on music, culture, society, etc.

I do wish that Punk had gracefully gone away... It is the public's fault for accepting fake bands and fake music claiming it to be Punk.

I would have no problem with Green Day calling their stuff "Pussy Pop Poop" and selling it.

PUNK'S EXISTENCE = +
PUNK'S AFTERMATH = -

Don`t ask me about punk music, but from an outside view punk will be contradictory to itself in any form. First because it was more a reaction and not a music evolvement (thus very original, but what music did it take inspiration from? it only breached with other styles, right?). Second because it has very strict rules.

Despite of this, the genre still lives on. Hardcore happens to be todays evolvement of punk, it has to breach the rules of punk, because the rules are too strict. Then you have those that go by the true punk banner, maybe more because of convenience than anything else. It might not strike us as a reaction to anything (thus not "punk"), but for the "musicians" it might be.

Punk is good because it gives inspiration to new music and will continue to. As for me, I like DFA 1979 (punk inspired), without paying much attention to anything attached to the genre before it. I can only hope that you will take a liking in the next generation of punk, camiliojoe. Or you have just outgrown the genre, it`s too small for your interest in music.

Let me see if I understand this now. So punk with its strict rules created a genre of music that was great when it started but then had nothing to evolve into?

Gonna wait for a response before answering further.

That was like when my ongoing project the Brussel Sprout Rebellion was working on an album called Music To Kill Yourself To. If we were successful with this release, our fan base would have disappeared completely.

The ultimate paradox.