Just finished disc 1 (Brawlers) of Tom Waits - Orphans (Brawlers, Bawlers and Bastards)

Tonight:

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads

and
Heavy Trash - Going Way Out With Heavy Trash

I made a really conscious and serious DID chart and arrange it by date, hope it does some well

records you must listen before you die or become deaf:

inde du nord. amjad ali khan (*traditional)
inde du nord. sheila dhar (*traditional)
inde du nord. satya dev pawar (*traditional)
un fuego de sangre pura. los gaiteros de san jacinto (*traditional)

symphony n. 7. ludwig van beethoven (1824)

symphony n. 7. gustav mahler (1906)
leutenant kije. sergei prokofiev (1927)

40 greatest hits. hank williams (50's)

that's my story. john lee hooker (60)
eight electronic pieces. tod dockstader (61)
free wheeling. bob dylan (63)
a love supreme. john coltrane (65)
in a silent way. miles davis (69)

what's going on. marvin gaye (71)
meddle. pink floyd (71)
wild and peaceful. kool and the gang (73)
southern comfort. the crusaders (74)
the Köln concert. keith jarrett (75)
tales of another. gary peacock (77)
east of the river nile. augustus pablo (77)
comedia. hector lavoe (78)
new directions. jack dejohnette (78)

closer. joy division (80)
first demo tape. minor threat (81)
garlands. cocteau twins (82)
the blurred crusade. the church (82)
on land. brian eno (82)
for john cage. morton feldman (1982)
evol. sonic youth (86)
spirit of eden. talk talk (88)

geto boys. geto boys (90)
garbage. autechre (96)
wabi sabi. wabi sabi {markus schmickler} (96)
eureka. jim o'rourke (99)

field recordings. fennesz (02)
shenzhou. biosphere (02)
lung cleaner. andrew deutsch (03)
cripple crow. devendra banhart (05)
parsimonia. rameses iii (05)
resting places. brendan murray (05)
veneer. jose gonzales (05)
at bay. andy graydon (06)
plano vertical. juan jose calarco (07)
amnemonic site. seth nehil (07)
l'avenir. richard garet (08)

Go Spread Your Wings is amazing.

something tells me that David doesn't think ambient or electroacoustic type music are within the 'electronic' spectrum

My good friend!

Well, electro acoustic clearly doesn't belong to the electronic genre, it's a genre of its own. If any it's actually more related to sound art and classic music than it is to electronic.

Some ambient music like Rameses III clearly donesn't belong in the electronic spectrum, as they mainly use electric (not electronic) and acoustic equipment.

The only record in my list that I will label as electronic is Autechre's Garbage, and maybe Fennesz' Field recordings. Shenzhou was done by using live recordings of Debussy's concerts, so I guess couldn't call it electronic either.

Cocteau Twins used a load of drum machines and synthesizers on Gardlands, and RZA use samplers and drum machines as well...does it make their records electronic?

good to see you around David

You're right about all of the above, but interpretation of music is somewhat tricky. If something sounds like rock music, does it make it rock music? With your explanations, no, it doesn't.

...with the case of Shenzhou, it's a manipulation of a recording, is it not?

...and I was having this similar discussion with someone else recently. Sort of like O'Rourke's 'Eureka' album. his music spans multiple genres, but since 'Eureka' doesn't sound much like an electronic album, does it make him an electronic musician?

It's very subjective. Honestly I feel the term "electronic music" is strongly attached to stuff like tecno, electro and house and all that stuff.

I don't know anybody into avant garde, micro sound, experimental, electro acoustic or sound art saying that he composes / performs "electronic music".