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12-05-2005, 11:45 AM
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At least he mentions disco which, and I always like to point this out to the kids, is the source of all rap.
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rap came from funk... just like disco did.
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12-05-2005, 11:47 AM
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aauw. i wish you had a better reply. id love to see a discussion between the all mighty camilojoe and old wizard satchmo
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What's to discusse, when we agree? Little Buddy, he and I have had many a disucssion.
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12-05-2005, 11:49 AM
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rap came from funk... just like disco did.
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If we're going to get technical, it came from Blues and Jazz.
The Ultimate Horror came from the Devil. If there be devil's music, it's....that which is not named.
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12-05-2005, 11:53 AM
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there is only one take
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if we want to get really technical it all goes back to the first caveman dropping a beat on his rock with a stick while his buddy freestyled some grunts. funny how it all comes full circle when you listen to 50cent.
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12-05-2005, 01:20 PM
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Good times.
Alright, everyone's going to think I'm tryin' to bash hip-hop, which isn't the case.
I think the jazz & blues influences were mixed in after the fact. I guess I can see some validity in the funk claim. More like this, though: Funk to Disco to Hip Hop.
I recently heard a sample from Brahm's violin concerto in an R&B tune that came out earlier this year. This doesn't mean that R&B came from Classical music.
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12-05-2005, 01:53 PM
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Well, technically, your first post was about Rap, not Hip-Hop. I'd tend to agree slightly on the latter, but The Last Poets and Watts Prophets predated Disco by years...
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12-05-2005, 01:56 PM
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12-05-2005, 02:02 PM
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This doesn't mean that R&B came from Classical music.
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No, but Hip-Hop did. It's amazing how bizarre the world is that without P. Schaeffer and P. Henry, we wouldn't have P. Diddy. 
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12-05-2005, 02:05 PM
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I'm vomiting right now. It actuall feels pretty good comparitively.
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12-05-2005, 02:09 PM
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Getting back to the original subject, it's not like this sort of thing is without precedent.
After all, who could forget Ice Ice Baby even if they wanted to? 
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12-05-2005, 02:23 PM
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Well, technically, your first post was about Rap, not Hip-Hop. I'd tend to agree slightly on the latter, but The Last Poets and Watts Prophets predated Disco by years...
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Well, if you guys would prefer to transcend all practical relevance, you could firmly place the beginnings of hip-hop/rap with Arnold Schoenberg's Ode to Napoleon composed in 1942. Poetry spoken rhythmically to music. Only thing missing is the beat.
With the disco thing, I know it's not that simple.
What were we talking about before I went off on a tangent?
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