Some opinions are more valued than others. Some a lot more. People who go to any BBS, figure out whose opinions or worth listening to and whose are not quickly enough, if they stay around long enough.


Since I am here anyway. Neither Springsteen or Petty compare to Dylan. Petty doesn't even compare to Springsteen.

which opinions are more valued than others is also an opinion. do you have anything to contribute regarding music? it seems the only things you post about are people you don't like or playing around with pals on here. make fun of my 4 posts a day, but your 9 posts a day are all BS when it comes to talking music.

back on the topic. dylan, springsteen and petty are all great american musicians; they in a way signify what american rock music was and is. not everyone likes all 3, but a large amount of americans like each artist. the reason i brought up the topic is because Petty is well known and revered by many but i haven't seen much talk of him in the same way i see talk about dylan or springsteen. that may support the idea that he does not belong in the same league but i think otherwise, and i see others do as well.

edit: your edit actually amazingly contributes something to a music thread. congrats.

If you bothered visiting any other forum on this site, you'd know that Satch is the #1 contributor of useful, helpful musical information on this website. Perhaps you should try to familiarize yourself with a community before trying to constantly improve and criticize it.

i've read pages of his responses by looking at his member info, most are just what i described. i'm sure he was different before and you likely remember that; but i judge by what is current.


so many older members say the forum sucks or left because they no longer liked it. i don't think that but i do think there can be more interesting music threads, and trying to do that has gotten me nothing but criticism. as far as me criticizing the forum, as i said i think posts to threads could be more music oriented and put in a way that draws people to continue talking music; but other than some members, i have not criticized the forum as a whole.

also let me say why i disliked your post in this thread. it was on the general topic but it not only highly criticized my opinion but also the thread as a whole, while giving an opinion as if it was fact. on top of that you have teamed up with satchmo and some others to criticize me, and it follows me in the form of either sarcastic/critical posts or ignoring posts which have so many avenues for people to enter a post; one or the other, there's hardly any middle ground.

/whine off

oh yea, also in talking to others i have met on the forum, there are others who feel they are regularly criticized for their opinion and i see it far too often that members are put down for their opinion. newbies (and even not so new members) are not the problem, we may not be accepted by the long time members clique; but a lot of that clique is ruthless and worthless as far as contributing to music posts in conjunction with certain members they don't know or care for.

Gill's always preferred stating opinions as fact. You guys've gotta give me a break, I'm a mere, brainless mob member, and can only listen to so many prophets at one time.


As for this thread's topic, I've got nothing to say that hasn't already been said. I basically agree with Seba, and while I agree that Springsteen isn't close to being like Dylan, I will say that he's a lot close than Petty is. I agree that Petty is a good musician, but not a great one, let alone a legend like Dylan (I wouldn't necessarily disagree with Springsteen as a legend, although on a smaller scale than Dylan).

i would put them in order from Dylan to Springsteen to Petty, with Dylan on his own pedestal, and Springsteen on his own below Dylan. i guess i could have elaborated more. by up there i don't mean exactly the same influence and quality, or even very near it; but i think all 3 of them qualify as great American Rock icons and all 3 have contributed to rock music positively. there are other great rock musicians, even others who are quintessential american rockers; but i wished to compare and contrast 2 of them with another i thought belonged on the list. so again, i believe Petty is an American Rock icon.

IfYou're gonna critisize everyone for not posting their opinions you might as well leave. Especially if you attack seba for this. Not only is he very respected around here, he is also extremely friendly, and what he just did was stating an opinion.

Alright, to get back on track. I eally liked the heartbreakers, but I never enjoyed petty's nasal kinda voice. But I do like his lyrics. they may be somwhat simple, yeah, but his lyrics were very direct, I like that. To say he's up there with Springsteen, I thing that's a bit too much. I like his music, but I wouldn't call him legendary, like I would with Bob Dylan.

fair enough. i guess i should know better, when people feel strongly enough about something they make comments in a blunt and fact'ish fashion (and i guess i did the same in response). i apologize for my comments directed at Seba. it's been pretty easy for me to get touchy around here with the problems on here of the past few weeks.