I feel frivalous! I'm wondering, what is your preference, inside or outside jazz?
when it really comes down to it, and why? do you like both equally or do you lean?
I'm not asking which is better or anything like that...I like both sides of the coin myself.

My leaning is definitely on the outside, dolphy, late coltrane, vandermark, shepp,
weird monk tunes, pharoah sanders, alice coltane, etc.

For my cafe i own in chicago, definitely lean towards the inside of things, so as to
not scare away the customers...

ive never heard the term "inside" and "outside" jazz before.

im guessing "outside" means more eccentric?

I think when he says "outside jazz" (I've never heard these terms used, either), he means jazz that's really loose and, as some people say, "out there," i.e. free jazz, Miles Davis's style of fusion (maybe just fusion in general, I don't know). If I've got what he means right, although Miles' style of fusion-playing is my favorite kind of music, I'd still have to go with "inside" jazz. Although I love free jazz, I find bebop to be far superior.

This is off topic but... I love your signature quote, jazzfromhell.

For whatever strange reason, sometimes I think about it during the rare slow moments of my day.

Thanks, I love it too (of course, ). Sometimes when I'm really bored in class, I think about it and just drift off, and before I know it the period's over.

I guess I'm more into inside jazze. I like Billie, and Chet and Duke ellington, all the old jazz, of course satchmo as well

I like both. Someone like John Coltrane was able to play both, and sometimes in the same song.

Sweet! That last one, is a given around here.

I enjoy Chet Baker, but a certain someone isn't much of a fan. Billie and Duke are big around these parts, as well.


Do you have any preference between Duke Ellington and Count Basie?

That sounds very interesting (although certainly not beyond Coltrane), what're some albums/songs he does this on?


And, for your Basie/Ellington question, I'd have to say Basie. Frankly, I'm not as educated in Ellington as I should be (and probably not as educated as I should be on Basie, either, but I've heard more of him than Ellington), but of what I've heard I like the Count more. It's always just packed more punch for me than Ellington, although I like "A" Train more than any song by Basie.

Blue train: I feel you on what you wrote, he developed so rapidly and from the inside...out, that he lies somewhere in there...it seems he burrowed his own niche of style unlike any else out there, so much so that other cats really couldn't 1)touch him, and 2) do anything quite like him, even if they tried.

any of you ever notice that NO ONE, and I mean NO 1 jazz cats can really do coltrane justice, especially his mid 60's and on stuff! sure people have covered love supreme, but let's be honest, there ain't no catz pickingup on that energy that coltrane found in himself.

so here's an interesting question I pose: who are some other cats that you feel uniquely and effectively stand on that line between inside and out?