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Old 10-28-2005, 06:19 PM   #21
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i just can't keep track of all the new formats and particularly all the new ways the record companies find to sell music--like cellphone ringtones? i can barely even use my cell phone (i just found out about the T9 function for text messaging (www.textfast.t9.com) -- and you expect me to download songs so that whenever Beyonce calls me, "Crazy in Love" comes on? i'll stick to my CD, thank you.
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Old 10-31-2005, 10:50 PM   #22
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These inevitabilities make me sad. Whether or not most people do, the iTunes concept allows you to buy a single song from an album rather than buying the whole thing. This will lead to a generation of drones content only to buy the songs that they see or hear on top40 radio or the MTV countdown. If you think the industy and the majority of its productions are in a sorry state now, just wait 'til people's only option is to buy what they want.

If artists understand that people will only pay for their singles, the quality of their other work will sink. On the other hand, the quality of their singles would improve as that is the product that they are effectively pimping. The artists might just remove these "B-Sides" entirely and only release singles to be heard, but on a much more regular basis. What that would mean is a greater musical variety that is readily available, but more music lost in the flow (not a bad thing, but we would have to dig deeper).

It's hard to say exactly which direction online music will go, but with these more consumer-oriented artists, the industry will wither and they will proceed them as a global, suburbanite pleasing store. And there's no culture in commerce... there's just... nothing.

Don't let stupid people stop technology...that's like saying cell phones are a bad idea because people don't memorize as many phone numbers, when the reality is I've been detoured in an emergency situation several times in the last 5 years that never would have occurred otherwise. The cellphone has proven its worth time and again amidst people in grocery store lines carrying on meaninnless conversations with someone they are going to see anyway in an hour. People are going to be idiots no matter what. It is the world's only constant.

Thanks to the MP3 format, I now can bring all kinds of music wherever I go. I actually can't imagine why anyone wouldn't, really, outside of those obsessed with sound quality to the point of owning very expensive equipment. There are lossless formats now anyway. The point is we have jumped much closer to the freedom from having to carry around piles or records, tapes or CD's.

If the dumb people already buying crappy music have a chance to get even lazier, well that's fucking great for them, isn't it? They can't be saved anyway. Musicians that stop putting out quality product have their own problems, and those are not directly related to the format on which the music is being heard. I am listening to Hot Rats right now, something I would not be able to do if I didn't have a 20 GB IPod that came with me everywhere, because it's not a CD I carry around all the time. I am able to listen to far more music than ever before thanks to this format.

When, not if, CD's do become obsolete - and I don't think we are all that close to it, really - they will not be missed by too many people. Records, on the other hand, are worth far more from a collector's standpoint. It is true that a digital format really doesn't do much to give you something tangible to hold.
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Old 10-31-2005, 10:52 PM   #23
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i just can't keep track of all the new formats and particularly all the new ways the record companies find to sell music--like cellphone ringtones? i can barely even use my cell phone (i just found out about the T9 function for text messaging (www.textfast.t9.com) -- and you expect me to download songs so that whenever Beyonce calls me, "Crazy in Love" comes on? i'll stick to my CD, thank you.

I have specific video game sounds play when certain people call me. I created the mp3's myself. It was quite gratifying, and I didn't actually have to pay anyone for it.
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Old 11-02-2005, 08:44 AM   #24
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I'd actually just stolen the name. I've never been motivated enough to listen to them. Maybe if I did I might be able to imply some sort of double meaning.


I wonder if it has any influence on you that I happen to be quite a fan of Ratt...

Anyway, if you like 80s hair metal you can't go wrong with them. Most would recommend their first full album "Out of the cellar", but I actually prefer "Detonator".
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Old 11-19-2005, 04:16 PM   #25
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Thats what I am saying - more and more people are sticking to their ipods or mobile phones. It is technology that rules the music business and better devices are just welcome.

The question is if listeners will keep searching for the music on the major label's catalogs like itunes, napster and sony music or thay will go directly to the artist internet pages using search engines or something. The second scenario will teke some power from the labels and give it back to the artists. That will make the business more competitive and bring better music to the market
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Old 11-23-2005, 07:30 AM   #26
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Figures from the IFPI and other associated bodies show that CD sales have plumed in recent years. The theory behind this is internet piracy and new technologies such as CD burns and p2p file sharing. However the record labels are having to look into new ways of exploiting the market and to recoupe the money they have lost in flaging sales. With James Blunt being the first artist to release the video of his new single as a video download for mobile phones this is probably the area which the majors are looking to exploit. Ringtones now have their own chart in music week and ringtones has become a far bigger market than the CD charts are. However with new phones such as the new motorola allowing i-tune downloads this may not always be the case. There are also new software packages which allow you to make your own ringtone so the ringtone market may soon fall. However the digital market is still strong and with the beginning of the year seeing downloads counting towards chart positing this is something which the majors are starting to exploit. but this to has its faults. The artic monkeys recently got to number 1 with very little advertising, the only advertising and promotion they had was word of mouth via the internet. They allow their songs to be downloaded via their website which worked for them on this occassion but if they want to continue to make money from music they may have to go back to more tradition routes. The majors are having to make major adjustments to the industry at present and are going to have to exploit as many different avenues as possible, but CD's could soon be something of the past with technology such as i-pods on the market
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Old 12-07-2005, 02:32 PM   #27
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Hi Jamie,

I read you're doing a dissertation on the music industry. I did it too for my final dissertation for an MSc. I analysed the effects of sharing music on total welfare and the 4 big majors. It's pretty technical and i think without a background in economics might be a bit... too much!!... anyway... got a high mark and my findings were at least.... unusual.... If u need just give me a shout on david@beatpick.com and i'll send it to you.

By the way: we opened an online music label inspired to sharing and Creative Commons.

BeatPick - FairPlay Music Label.
www.beatpick.com

check our site or our post in this forum (promotion)....

take it easy......

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