I mean, really.. someone please answer me. What happened to good punk rock? I mean the spirit of 76... the SST of 85.. where did it go? I think the official first nail true punk rocks coffin was east bay cali circa 89. Operation Ivy's last -official- (non-house party) show. Don't get me wrong, I love operation ivy, however the first band to open up in that show was Green day. little did anyone know that night, that in a few years after 1049/ kerplunk/ smoothered that dookie would land in the mainstream, thanks to a major record label. After that, it was pop-punk history. Lol. maybe punk died with GG allen in 1993?

Crass - Punk Is Dead

Yes that's right, punk is dead,
It's just another cheap product for the consumers head.
Bubblegum rock on plastic transistors,
Schoolboy sedition backed by big time promoters.
CBS promote the Clash,
But it ain't for revolution, it's just for cash.
Punk became a fashion just like hippy used to be
And it ain't got a thing to do with you or me.
Movements are systems and systems kill.
Movements are expressions of the public will.
Punk became a movement cos we all felt lost,
But the leaders sold out and now we all pay the cost.
Punk narcissism was social napalm,
Steve Jones started doing real harm.
Preaching revolution, anarchy and change
As he sucked from the system that had given him his name.
Well I'm tired of staring through shit stained glass,
Tired of staring up a superstars arse,
I've got an arse and crap and a name,
I'm just waiting for my fifteen minutes fame.
Steve Jones you're napalm,
If you're so pretty (vacant) why do you swarm?
Patti Smith you're napalm,
You write with your hand but it's Rimbaud's arm.
And me, yes I, do I want to burn?
Is there something I can learn?
Do I need a business man to promote my angle?
Can I resist the carrots that fame and fortune dangle?
I see the velvet zippies in their bondage gear,
The social elite with safety-pins in their ear,
I watch and understand that it don't mean a thing,
The scorpions might attack, but the systems stole the sting.
PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD.
PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD.
PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD.

Dookie was anything but a punk album when it came out, and is anything but a punk album now.

lol dookie was shit. unfortinately, compared to good charlotte or whatever the hell is consider punk in these days, dookie is pretty punk rock. as I said, my opinion, punk died circa 89, east bay california. however, t bogus mentioned a lovely crass song that mentioned clash signing with cbs. unfortinately, when crass was around, I would still consider punk in spirit to be alive.

This subject is popping up closer together than in the past.

Basically, almost from the beginning it was already starting to die.



When rich kids started trying to copy the broke musicians, by ripping perfectly new clothes on purpose, putting safety pins through body parts, wearing a punk "uniform"*.

When Fear went on Saturday Night Live, and the public saw a punk group and slam dancing for the first time on Oct. 31, 1981.


When Blondie went Ultimate Horror.


* Most of the musicians couldn't even afford to buy the black leather jackets, which their fans were buying. The only reason their clothes were ripped was because they couldn't afford new clothes, and had to resort to safety pins. You won't find a single picture, of the early real punk bands with a musician with any type of piercing.

oh man, I had no idea Fear was on saturday night live in 81. damn. However, your piercing example of -real early- punk rock? first of all, piercings were around in the 50's and 60's in an american/ europian subculture, they didn't really start being popular until the 80s. at least "body piercings." And secondly, how early are we talking? by 81, you could argue that punk had already been around for at least two decades, prior to that. and still.. what about crass? they could hardly afford a drummer (joke) let alone a leather jacket?

Now what did I say about assuming anything? I am the last person on this board you need to talk about Punk. I saw most of the groups before they even made their first recordings. One of the benefits of being my age and living in multiple cities and countries, while growing up.

Satchmo was at the SNL show. I might also be one of the few, if not only RM member to experienced a G.G. Allin show, which has already been discussed, so let's move on.

I would suggest you read my post again. I wasn't saying the musicians were those buying the jackets, and my comments about the safety pins and piercing.


I also don't happen to consider the groups like The Fugs, VV, MC5, Stooges, New York Dolls, etc... to be Punk. If you had to give them a label, it would be Proto-punk.

Lol you're an ass and I love it. Well, I was thinking the origin of punk (meaning as early as the Sonics, perhaps...). as I said, GG died in 93... And crass was around until 85... So there had to be some punk alive. On top of that, what about the early - mid 80's harDCore/ punk scene? So if you don't count the stooges to be punk rock, then what is your definition of "First Generation Punk Rock?"

Man, I said before, real punk ain't dead!! It's just most people don't know about it, cause it's still underground. It's not because punkimage and music gets commercialised that it's dead. There are still real punkbands around, doin it for the same old reason.

Punk ain't dead, punk in the charts just ain't punk.

oh well. no wave was much more interesting if you ask me. how many bands can play the same thing before it gets dull anyway?