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Sea Change
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04-14-2005, 08:02 PM
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I'd take 'good' over 'unique' any day of the week. Oh, and 'emotion' is important as well. There's alot more of it on Sea Changes.
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Here here. "Sea Change" was all about a break-up of his then girlfriend of nine years. Very emotional, heartfelt, and true feelings. I like Radiohead, but they'll never connect with me as a person they way Beck's "Sea Change" did.
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04-14-2005, 10:41 PM
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I think Sea Change may be the best album in the last decade. At least alternative.
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04-15-2005, 01:37 PM
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I think Sea Change may be the best album in the last decade. At least alternative.
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you must be the only one. as for those who think that OK Computer is the best album of the past decade [any genre], well icould line them up for miles.
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04-15-2005, 02:06 PM
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wait which one's winning again? mmhmm yeah. ha but seriously, its probably the most tragic album to come out by the most eclectic and important musician in recent years. its that good because its whats beck's been hinting at in all his other albums. not anyone can go from cheez wiz and turntables to that much emotion and sadness. and it's a perfect album for sure. sorry to me, ok computer is boooring and has maybe like 3 good songs.
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04-15-2005, 03:53 PM
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wait which one's winning again? mmhmm yeah. ha but seriously, its probably the most tragic album to come out by the most eclectic and important musician in recent years. its that good because its whats beck's been hinting at in all his other albums. not anyone can go from cheez wiz and turntables to that much emotion and sadness. and it's a perfect album for sure. sorry to me, ok computer is boooring and has maybe like 3 good songs.
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the only reason ican giv for the fact that Beck is currently leading the poll is that there are 12 people on this forum who clearly dont know what the hell theyre talking about. isuppose you could hold Sea Change to be a personal favourite, but you should still be able to recognize that it bears little comparison to the greatness that is OK Computer. imean, its not even close.
Beck is certianly not "the most eclectic and important musician in recent years"- to even suggest that is laughable. Beck has been one of the better and most consistent artists in recent years releasing some very solid albums, Sea Change included. ecletic? isuppose somewhat- he is very unique to the rest of the mainstream thats for sure, but he does definitely stay mostly close to home. Beck isnt exaclty blowing minds.
now, iwould say with complete confidence that Radiohead are indeed the best/most important artists of the past decade. over the last ten years no other artists has produced a catalogue that even comes close to rivaling Radiohead's succession of The Bends, OK Computer, Kid A, Amnesiac and Hail To The Thief. they are easily the most influential band of their time and theyve still got more to go. Beck is good- maybe even great- but he's no Radiohead.
ifind it funny, if still totally baffling, that someone who is in the midst of bestowing praise on Beck's Sea Change can accuse an album like OK Computer of being boring. in this context that is a completely unbelievable comment.
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04-15-2005, 05:51 PM
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it's not funny? but whatever, I still think most of it is whiny and boring save a couple songs which I said before. I don't know why everyone thinks its so great anyways, radiohead have plenty of albums way better I think. at least for the bends and kid a, I could actually sit and listen to most of the songs without skipping or yawning.
and to say beck is only somewhat eclectic is laughable. hello? what is "close to home" about psychedelia, funk, latin bossa nova, rap, folk all mixed together? to me if radiohead stopped making music all together, yeah it'd be a bummer I guess but i'd miss beck's music a hell of a lot more. more endearing, more creative, and yes more unique,  better artist.
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04-15-2005, 05:57 PM
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and I agree about radiohead's nonconformist, versatile blah blah music being forced. its like this, beck is all genuine and natural and radiohead is wannabe cool. and I mean it doesn't really matter, both make great music, its just beck is so much better as an artist.
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04-15-2005, 06:31 PM
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and to say beck is only somewhat eclectic is laughable. hello? what is "close to home" about psychedelia, funk, latin bossa nova, rap, folk all mixed together?
and I agree about radiohead's nonconformist, versatile blah blah music being forced. its like this, beck is all genuine and natural and radiohead is wannabe cool. and I mean it doesn't really matter, both make great music, its just beck is so much better as an artist.
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by "close to home" imean close to home for Beck. Beck's idea of challenging himself or expanding his art is to strip it down and make the extremely conventional album that is Sea Change. he makes good albums, but they all basically fit in the same ballpark. and i'll take it back- he is fairly eclectic and it is a fairly big ballpark, but that still doesnt change the fact that hes been rounding that same diamond his entire career.
Radiohead on the other hand hav made an incredible progression from their meager beginnings to now. the leaps made between Pablo Honey and The Bends, The Bends and OK Computer and OK Computer and Kid A/Amnesiac are something that Beck has never even attempted, let alone achieved the type of success Radiohead did with them.
and this garbage about "being forced" is so stupid. art is forced. people dont juste rattle off albums or books of poetry or collections of prints and paintings without any conscious effort. if you're trying to imply that Radiohead is somehow less genuine than Beck- that theyre "wannabe cool- thats probably a road you dont want to go down. you want "forced" or "wannabe cool"? try some little white guy from LA who made his signature sound by copping all the mainly black and latino genres.
now, dont get me wrong- ilike Beck's music a lot and iwould never hold his ironic embrace of various influences against him. he is an artist and every artist draws on influences. ijuste cant see how anyone would wish to peg Radiohead of all artists as ones forcing their art in some attempt to be cool. that couldnt be further from the truth.
Beck isa good artist- Radiohead are better.
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04-15-2005, 07:10 PM
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booo how many little white guys can do that? its only him man.
if you think Sea Change is conventional, you are mistaken. ok I guess you could make the argument that for beck who's copping mainly black and latino genres (and also folk and country and psych) and is already experimental to begin with to ditch all of the genre hopping and actually focus is conventional. but thats a dumb argument and you're still wrong. its the exact opposite.
as for radiohead, incredible progression? say what? kid a and amnesiac seem to me to be the only real experimental progressions they ever did. everything else, the sound is just rock or pop music.
and as for achieving success, I think its pretty obvious beck is popular also. in fact i'd say he's more popular.
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04-15-2005, 07:15 PM
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both are not that terribly eclectic, both are pretty good... though Ok Computer seems to have had a bigger impact on music than Sea Change, it's perferctly possible to like it better than Ok Computer... most people just think about which one they enjoy more... you Chris look also at what most people think (well at least when you agree with what most people think)
I could imagine how some people would find Ok Computer cold, yet I find it very emotional and touching... I guess I like that "cold sphere"... it doesn't seem like a boring album at all... yet the indie snob in me thinks that there's way too much talk about Radiohead and that besides the fact that there's so much other music out there has prevented me from listening to any Radiohead in a long time...
although I like some of his tracks, I've never been that much into Beck... and while the songs that I've heard from Sea Change were enjoyable and sometimes even quite touching, there didn't seem to be anything really remarkable about the album... just another folky indie pop album... and there are many that mean much more to me, often because of personal reasons...
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