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11-29-2004, 06:12 PM
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Join Date: May 2003
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A few of these might be more free improvistional.
John Coltrane
Cecil Taylor
Eric Dolphy
Albert Ayler
Ornette Coleman
Joe McPhee
Mats Gustafsson
Evan Parker
Andrew Cyrille
I am not sure if these would be considered free jazz or avant, but I also like:
Charles Mingus
Anthony Braxton
Steve Lacy
Sun Ra
Don Pullen
Roscoe Mitchell
Paul Bley
Jimmy Lyons
Elvin Jones
some groups that I like
The Art Ensemble of Chicago
Ganelin Trio
Italian Instabile Orchestra
London Jazz Composers Orchestra
World Saxophone Quartet
Peter Brotzmann Chicago Octet/Tentet
There're a lot more that I like.
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I would actually consider Dolphy more Avant. I would consider Braxton & Lacy free to some extent. Have you heard Steve Lacy's Moon or The Forest & The Zoo? Those present his more free moments. As for Braxton, a few of his albums would be considered free, have you heard his duos with Derek Bailey? They aren't the greatest, but they are fair. Paul Bley could be considered free on certain moments such as his trio performance with Evan Parker & Barre Phillips or with Jimmy Giuffre & Steve Swallow.
I'll cease at this point... :P
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11-30-2004, 12:22 AM
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I would actually consider Dolphy more Avant. I would consider Braxton & Lacy free to some extent. Have you heard Steve Lacy's Moon or The Forest & The Zoo? Those present his more free moments. As for Braxton, a few of his albums would be considered free, have you heard his duos with Derek Bailey? They aren't the greatest, but they are fair. Paul Bley could be considered free on certain moments such as his trio performance with Evan Parker & Barre Phillips or with Jimmy Giuffre & Steve Swallow.
I'll cease at this point... :P
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It is a safe bet to say, that I have heard a good deal of the recordings Pops has in his collection. Including those that I mentioned.
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11-30-2004, 01:50 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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i dont know if id call anything by mingus "free" or even avant garde (i guess black saint and the sinner lady is, but definitely not free). or am I missing some of his important works?
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11-30-2004, 10:18 PM
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no mingus was not by any stretch of the means free he was fucking amazing however, but not free. free is where they start with something and just work their way out without practicing chords or anything to go over. beats are even sometimes changed in the middle of the song. its unity. jazz=pure damn goodness
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11-30-2004, 10:50 PM
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i dont know if id call anything by mingus "free" or even avant garde (i guess black saint and the sinner lady is, but definitely not free). or am I missing some of his important works?
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You could call Mingus' later works avant, but no he wasn't free jazz.
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11-30-2004, 10:52 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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I asked the guy at the record store where his 'free jazz' was and then he had me arrested for shoplifting.
ha ha.
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11-30-2004, 10:52 PM
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no mingus was not by any stretch of the means free he was fucking amazing however, but not free. free is where they start with something and just work their way out without practicing chords or anything to go over. beats are even sometimes changed in the middle of the song. its unity. jazz=pure damn goodness
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You do realize that what you have been describing in this thread is not Free Jazz? It's Free improv.
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11-30-2004, 10:55 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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I'm gonna start a thread called 'Good Stuff' so people won't need to worry about which 8 or 9 labels are appropriate for what they want to discuss.
But first I gotta wash the dishes.
Ever see that Mingus documentary?
whatever his proper label is, it's a must!
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11-30-2004, 10:56 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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You do realize that what you have been describing in this thread is not Free Jazz? It's Free improv.
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You know, I was going to add some more responses to this thread to clear things up, but I just knew you'd be lurking around here somewhere to save me the trouble!  
Really, what would this site be without our resident ultra-superior prick... 
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11-30-2004, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Digger
I'm gonna start a thread called 'Good Stuff' so people won't need to worry about which 8 or 9 labels are appropriate for what they want to discuss.
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Come on, Digger...don't spoil the fun...
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