Well, the all around most radical Industrial artist (( and one of the most radical musical groups ever )) is of course the first -- Throbbing Gristle

well if you like ATR, then you will like the main person from that group, Alec Empire. Check his "The Destroyer" album out. or even "Generation Star Wars".

Xanopticon is fucked up, excelent cheesy american IDM.

Yeah anything I've heard from Alec Empire was simply face-melting.

Curse of the golden vampire - Mass destruction.

there is no harder.

It's not some much about like, just trying to see who's the most intense and heavy.

Like, I like Numb much better, but I'm trying to see who can produce the most extreme dance music example.

I did go to some cool Industrial clubs in Germany with my girlfriend and heard some really great stuff, very powerful, and hard.

Am looking into all your suggesstions. Thanks

For hard as fuck dance music try the following...

Hyperdriver, Converter, Hypnoskull, and that's a start.

I agree, Hypnoskull and Converter are pretty damn hard. Hypnoskull's "ffwd out" album is intense. Converter's "Broken" album is quite good, check it out (maybe Keef can give better recommendations).

I'd have to say "Blast Furnace" for Converter. It's a harsh diamond.

Good rec. What did you think of "exit ritual"?