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My copy arrived yesterday. They still have the Crown system, but they also included something called The Core list. It is a list of 200 essential recordings. At least essential to them.

Some of the Crowns are included on The Core, but many are not. There have been a few additions and some demotions on the Crown list.

The usual amount of WTF is that recording getting a Crown or not getting a Crown. And now with the Core you can WTF about that list as well.


I will post the lists, when I update my databases.

Here is the so called Penguin Guide for Jazz 7th's 200 Core Recordings.

A few comments first. WTF!!!??? There are a lot of things on this that just don't belong. They also only include a few of their Crown choices. It doesn't make sense, if it can be a Crown but not a Core recording. I also don't understand how Max Roach's We Insist makes this list. Not that it doesn't belong, because it does, but it's out of print. Penguin Guide only includes recordings that are still in print and in print in Great Britian to be exact. This last bit is for my man Nwa who mentioned how Penguin leaves out items from previous Editions. They get left out because they went out of print over there. Stupid, I know but it's the British. It doesn't cross their minds, that recordings can go in and out of print several times.


I also don't get their Cecil Taylor picks! And no Mingus Ah Um? WTF (2) That's squared for you non math types.


But after all that, the Penguin Guide for Jazz, just like it's sister version for Classical Music, are the best in the business.



Excuse any possible typo's or mislabeling of titles that I might have missed, but as the saying goes, You Get What You Paid For.

I have put some spacing between musicians that have had multiple recordings mentioned.



Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else
Air - Air Time
Red Henry Allen - "Red" Allen & His Orchestra, 1929-1933
Mose Allison - The Word From Mose

Louis Armstrong - In my opinion all his recordings are essential.
The Complete Hot Fives & Hot Sevens
The Complete RCA Victor Recordings

Art Ensemble of Chicago Art Ensemble 1967-68
Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity
Chris Barber - The Complete Decca Sessions 1954/55

Count Basie
The Original American Decca Recordings
Count The Complete Atomic Mr. Basie

Sidney Bechet - Shake 'Em Up
Bix Beiderbecke - Bix And Tram
Ran Blake - The Short Life Of Barbara Monk
Art Blakey - A Night At Birdland, Volume 1-2
Paul Bley - Time Will Tell
Arthur Blythe - Lenox Avenue Breakdown
Rubie Braff - Calling Berlin: Volume 1
Anthony Braxton - Eugene
Brookmeyer, Bob New Works/Celebration
Peter Brotzmann - Machine Gun
Clifford Brown - The Complete Blue Note And Pacific Jazz Recordings
Dave Brubeck - Time Out
Kenny Burrell - Ellington Is Forever Vol. 1
Gary Burton - Hotel Hello
Benny Carter - Further Definitions
Serge Chaloff - Blue Serge
Teddy Charles - The Teddy Charles Tentet
Nat Cole - After Midnight

Ornette Coleman
Beauty Is A Rare Thing
At The Golden Circle, Stockholm: Vol. 1-2

John Coltrane - Come on now. No Intersteller Space at least? And a few others. WTF (3)
Giant Steps
A Love Supreme

Ken Colyer - Club Session With Colyer
Eddie Condon - Eddie Condon, 1927-1938
Chris Connor - Chris Connor
Sonny Criss - Sonny's Dream
Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis - Very Saxy

Miles Davis - Where do I start?
Milestones
Kind Of Blue
In A Silent Way

Vic Dickenson - Gentleman Of The Trombone
Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch!
Arne Domnerus - Face To Face
Kenny Dorham - Round About Midnight At The Café Bohemia, Vol. 1-2
Dave Douglas - Convergence
Roy Eldridge - Heckler's Hop

Duke Ellington - New Orleans Suite? WTF There is about 50 before that.
Never No Lament – The Blanton/Webster Band
Ellington At Newport 1956 (Complete)
New Orleans Suite

Bill Evans
The Complete Live At The Village Vanguard 1961 (Waltz for Debby & Sunday at the Village Vanguard)

Gil Evans - Out Of The Cool
Art Farmer - Portrait Of Art
Ella Fitzgerald - The Cole Porter Songbook
Chico Freeman - Destiny's Dance
Bill Frisell - Have A Little Faith
Jan Garbarek - Dis
Erroll Garner - Concert By The Sea
Charles Gayle - Touchin' On Trane
Stan Getz - Focus
Dizzy Gillespie - Birks Works
Benny Goodman - At Carnegie Hall 1938 - Complete
Benny Goodman - The Complete Small Group Sessions
Dexter Gordon - Our Man In Paris
Stephane Grappelli - Tivoli Gardens, Copenhagen, Denmark
Grant Green - The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark
Lars Gullin - Lars Gullin Vol. 2 1953
Charlie Haden - Beyond The Missouri Sky
Jim Hall - Concierto
Bengt Hallberg - Time On My Hands
Scott Hamilton - Plays Ballads
Lionel Hampton - Lionel Hampton 1937-1938
Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters
Tom Harrell - Labyrinth
Barry Harris - Magnificent!
Coleman Hawkins - Body And Soul
Julius Hemphill - Flat-Out Jump Suite
Fletcher Henderson - The Complete Louis Armstrong With Fletcher Henderson
Joe Henderson - The State Of The Tenor Volumes One And Two
Woody Herman - Blowin' Up A Storm!
Andrew Hill - Point Of Departure
Earl Hines - Earl Hines Plays Duke Ellington, Vol. 1-2
Billie Holiday - Lady Day Swings!
Dave Holland - Conference Of The Birds
Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame
Dick Hyman - Forgotten Dreams
Abdullah Ibrahim - Yarona
Ahmad Jamal - Cross Country Tour: 1958-1961
Keith Jarrett - The Koln Concert
Bunk Johnson - Bunk's Brass Band And Dance Band 1945
J.J. Johnson - The Eminent Jay Jay Johnson: Vol. 1-2
Sheila Jordan - Portrait Of Sheila
Stan Kenton - City Of Glass
Rahsaan Roland Kirk - Rip, Rig And Panic/Now Please Don't You Cry, Beautiful Edith
Lee Konitz - Motion
Steve Lacy - 5 x Monk 5 x Lacy
George Lewis - Jazz In The Classic New Orleans Tradition
Meade Lux Lewis - Meade Lux Lewis 1927-1939
Booker Little - Booker Little And Friend
Lyttleton Humphrey - The Parlophones Volumes One-Four
Shelly Manne - At The Blackhawk Vol. 1-5
Wynton Marsalis - J Mood
Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring
Marian McPartland - In My Life
Brad Mehldau - The Art Of The Trio Vol. 1
Helen Merrill - Helen Merrill With Clifford Brown And Gil Evans

Charles Mingus
Pithecanthropus Erectus
Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus

Roscoe Mitchell - Sound
Modern Jazz Quartet - The Complete Last Concert
Miff Mole - Slippin' Around

Thelonious Monk - Forget something did they?
The Complete Blue Note Recordings
Brilliant Corners

Wes Montgomery - Incredible Jazz Guitar
Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
Bennie Moten - Band Box Shuffle 1929-1932
Paul Motian - Sound Of Love
Gerry Mulligan - The Original Quartet
David Murray - Ming
Fats Navarro - The Complete Fats Navarro On Blue Note And Capitol
King Oliver - King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band - The Complete Set
Original Dixieland Jazz Band - The Original Dixieland Jazz Band 1917-1921
Greg Osby - Banned In New York

Charlie Parker
On Dial: The Complete Sessions
The Charlie Parker Story
The Quintet - Jazz At Massey Hall

Evan Parker - The Snake Decides WTF? Several others I would have thought of and that includes other solo recordings.
Joe Pass - Virtuoso
Art Pepper - Meets The Rhythm Section
Oscar Peterson - Night Train
Michael Petrucciani - Solo Live
Bud Powell - The Amazing Bud Powell: Vol.1-2
Django Reinhardt - The Classic Early Recordings In Chronological Order

Max Roach
Alone Together
We Insist! Freedom Now Suite

Shorty Rogers - The Sweetheart of Sigmund Freud

Sonny Rollins
Saxophone Collossus
A Night At The Village Vanguard
This Is What I Do

ROVA - Bingo
Jimmy Rushing - Rushing Lullabies
George Russell - Jazz Workshop
Alexander von Schlippenbach - Swinging The Bim ??????? Great recording, but not their most essential!
John Scofield - Quiet
Artie Shaw - Self Portrait
Archie Shepp - Four For Trane
Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil
Horace Silver - Blowin' The Blues Away
Zoot Sims - If I'm Lucky
Jimmy Smith - Groovin' At Smalls' Paradise
Wadada Leo Smith - Divine Love
Muggsy Spanier - Muggsy Spanier 1939-1942
Tomasz Stanko - Leosia
Bobo Stenson - Serenity
Maxine Sullivan - Close As Pages In A Book

Sun Ra
Jazz In Silhouette
The Magic City

John Surman - A Biography Of The Rev. Absalom Dawe
Art Tatum - The Tatum Group Masterpieces Vol. 8

Cecil Taylor - (Excellent recordings, but not top 3 Cecil! Tree might be his best solo. I will give them that.)
Jazz Advance
For Olim
The Tree Of Life

Clark Terry - Memories Of Duke
Mel Torme - Mel Torme Swings Shubert Alley
Lennie Tristano - Lennie Tristano
McCoy Tyner - The Real McCoy
James Blood Ulmer - Odyssey
Warren Vache - 2gether
Kid Thomas Valentine - Kid Thomas-George Lewis Ragtime Stompers
Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan
Edward Vesala - Lumi
Bobby Watson - Love Remains
Weather Report - Mysterious Traveller
Eberhard Weber - Yellow Fields
Ben Webster - Music For Loving
Kenny Wheeler - Music For Large And Small Ensembles
Mary Lou Williams - Free Spirits
Tony Williams - Life Time
Phil Woods - Phil Woods/Lew Tabackin
Larry Young - Unity
Lester Young - The Complete Aladdin Sessions
John Zorn - The Big Gundown

Now that I look at that again, I am going to have to comeback and go into more details into what I think.

I have the 5th Edition.

I'm not sure what would give me that much reason to buy the newer version.

i b pressed 4 time but i wants 2 shout out 2 my boy Satch mofo and 2 kick some random thought bout his first take on dat penguin list of da most holy jelly rolly mortins. dis just b freestyle, i ain't perused, let alone ponderd da list, but on da 1st blush

re chew chew trane, satch i thinks if u only gets 2 tickest 2 ride da trane dat day be them, Gingt Steps and Love supreme. BUT if u gets more from old school, b 4 trane b came trane, i take blue train. For soft and popular trane i think my favorite things show dat jazz always use pop songs and how jazz, and trane, turns such vacouis coal in 2 dimonds. 4 trane when he b searchin but not yet gone Live at birdland is a gas, and 4 when trane took full , free flight Assension soars.


I agrees w Satch dat Dukes na'eans suite don't belong from his mid peroid i put on "pratice, pratice, practice" as in how do u get to Carnige Hall 1943--dis b historic debute of Black, Brown and Beige.or perhaps Fargo 1940, Blanton, webster and da boys swung dat dance like babe ruth swung da bat--hard. for duke's latter work if day want a suite take da far east suite. perhaps and his ma called him bill, i mean bill deseves props i mean dat mofo wrote da a train, duke loved him almost as he loved da ladys--and duke had appities for da lady's like bird had for food( and sadly also 4 junk). da freedom fries hating paris concert from 63? i always dug as a hip retro spective. even dough duke be known for da big bang band i think Money jungle is a must have, duke could play dat monkish piano b 4 monk did and u gets max roach burnin up dem skins

day pick art Tatum in a group setting? What ? da mans far from broke baroac pianos attackes r pest heard solo. he b a band un 2 himself. so i say SOLO 1940 need 2 b experanced.

satch dares right and den dares dam right and u dam right about your boy Cecile Talyor. let's b basic, in order 2 fix the sick pick of dem brit twins at da penguin guide which here needs a c ing i dog. so Unit sruchtures, silent tounges, CT unit. and den perhaps Compleate CT on Candid and the great concert of CT.

What? I mean WHAT? no oliver nelson and his powerful blues n da abstract truth. dat hurt....i mean it hurt down deep.

Now i just pissed like a preacher on sunday during da football season. Da give it up to tone god of hard bop Clifford Brown as day must but day say forget the great quintet w MAX and go 2 da bluenote sessions out on mosac, well dat shit not avalable from mosac for a long as time so what is da point, yes dat shit is avalable on big blue now and it sublime, but Cliff's shit with Max is mothers milk...ain't no thing better. U need it all, dat 10 cd box but 4 da faint of heart and benjamins i say At basin street.

paul bley should b open 2 love dat shit as dry as a good martine

the forcast on der whether report pick is dat it b cloudy cuz day pick the wrong one in my book it should b heavy wheather

i let peguing take a muligin on Gerry Mulligan we all know what it need to b, yeah yeah, cool, jazz, third stream, but it also need to b his famous pianoless quarte w chet, so da paciffic jazz album from 1952ish with my funn e valintime.

WTF wait lets double down on dat WTF........WTF! WTF? dare dat feels better Gary Burton Hello Hotel, hell no 2 dis bates motel of an album.

edward vesala? really dat be 1 of da 200 most important cds 2 hear in jazz. we got 3 from mile's but man u gotta her dis drumer--in whom i hear a rock and world music back ground--i know he play out with tommy Stanko on ECm and i ain't got no bone to bick with him but how u argue he essentail to anybody accept his mama.

i like michel pettrtione, his littel french hands wotk dat piano like a lover but once againg dat warm shit ain't hardly essental in da jazz cannnnnnnnooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

i ganna toss penguin a bone as 2 sun e rollins day got it right dem is da 3 2 check out 1st. BUT and it a big but, bigger than J Lo's, if u got 3 sun es den u need at least 5 tranes caouse of his greater mdern influance and cau8se he went through more periods of change den sun e so i guess dat brings be back 2 da top of dis page where we got on board da cole trane where i had a bone 2 pick with dem ,and i way out a time keep it real satch my brother

& peace 2 all u folks

nwa

I've never considered Jim Hall's Concierto to be his best album. Would have been better to see Undercurrent with Bill Evans.

sup Geoff. I think you right dat undercurrent is a better album. The sensitivity of them 2 dueting is some thang else. But I always dug Concerto cause da title track goes on for what almost 20 min or something and i think it b in a minor and the mellow grove just puts me in a trance, more than miles take of this spanish theme--that don't mean i thinks hall's take b better than my favorite son of a dentist. Anyway, i think Hall's Concerto shows how sucsfull that CTI sound can be. I mean i think that b smooth jazz when u think about it but it is a far cry from the dribbel that can be out there as smooth jazz these days, so i do groove on Concerto.

On dat note, y no metheny in da guide. for his smooth side y not his first solo, with jaco, or the first group album both from late 70s i think. or of course we could talk bout 80/81 and song X...............i know zero tolaerance for silence is even way out there but i don't think it is a worhty.


and did they list sco's quiet nights. i did like that cd but that is about as uncarterist of his jazz-funk as u can get. I dug his old stuff like load jazz and still warm and then shit like hand jive,

okay then bill frizzell, jazz or not, well who cares he is hip as hell and nashvill might help modernise that list..i mean jazz gutiar didn't die with wes

Anyone want to check the changes from the 6th to 7th Edition. You can also check at the bottom for just the what was added, deleted or changes in grades.


http://www.tomhull.com/ocston/nm/notes/pjazz6-7-01.php

Satch, I got the 8th edition for Christmas. Just wondering what you think of that one?