Hyped.

It's not so much what you call a kind of music, it's whether or not it is any good...which is also a matter of opinion. That old Turkish composer, Ilhan Mimaroglu, is a veteran of the Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center. I don't suppose his musical elders eulogised the music he and his colleagues were making in the '60s. I've heard Philip Glass rank on Aphex Twin, and Pierre Boulez rank on Bang on a Can. Minimalism and serialism had their detractors when those forms were new.

For instance, Oval (pronounced Oh-vahl'). My friend Christoph Cox, a philosophy professor and music critic, loves Oval. I think Oval is b-b-b-boring! No matter what kind of cerebral theory Dr. Cox frontloads Oval with, I still hear minute after tedious minute of dull clicking and popping.

Hmm I don't know anything about Oval's "theories" but I think they're pretty great.

edit. I would classify Oval more under glitch than IDM though.

What else is "glitch"?

So listen to way more OVAL.

It's a bit hard to say, but it can involve skipping or clicking, and often "white noise" . More often than not it is not sequenced but is rather the result of experimentations with bugs in audio playback, computer software and god knows what else. Some glitch artists straight up program their stuff though ( I think Oval do this ). Some glitch can even include beats, but that's more of a cross between glitch and IDM. ( I'm thinking Pan Sonic here )

Basically, it's just using the "errors" as something positive. I don't know a whole lot about it, but the above is at least the impression I am left with. I'm sure someone else will correct a lot of things I have said :P

Markus Paap would paint various things on cd's and then record the source material of them playing. Very good stuff.

Yes, Oval is technically Glitch. Terre Thaemlitz and Carsten Nicolai are other artists within this genre. I'd recommend 94Diskont by Oval if you haven't tried it.

One might even argue whether to classify William Basinski's Disintegration Loops as glitch.

Oh...you got me! A true Cage Fanatic would listen to Oval until he no longer finds it b-b-b-b-boring!

94Diskont is one of their best albums. I do like some Oval tracks, but overall I've found them overrated.

I like Therre Thaemlitz from the Instinct ambient collections. Is TT male or female?

i guess i see what you are saying. in your first sentence, i am kind of confused. do you mean that in a sense that these organized pitches and beats are merely fragments of art and not musical events? i can totally agree on many levels about that, but not in all cases.

and for serialism, it was, for a while, highly cliche. it tends to be associated with unique sounding pitches that will give you dissonance and such..but really that is a bunch of shard. i mean, if you want something to sound dissonant and weird, just write it as such! you know what it is going to sound like..so you might as well be intentional. it is something that is highly miss-interpreted...of course by me as well.

minimalism will always have naysayers, but i am a big fan! as are many that post here.

I'd call it more droning ambient or modern classical. I wouldn't even put it in the glitch type family.