Aphex Twin vs. Autechre - Page 6

mysterian · 08-08-2004, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ___________

Autechre is the trend, has been the trend and will continue being be the trend for some more years.

Confield is in some way, their greatest album and one of the greatest albums ever made with computers.

greatest album made with computers? are you kidding?

mysterian · 08-08-2004, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Equinox

They continue to do the same things? Well, possibly the past has made it's way back, but is that always a bad thing? I believe, up to Confield, it was more of an unravelling effect. Starting off with "Incunabula" (not mentioning the very first release, Cavity Job 12"), I believe they showed their beginnings of thought of how they wanted a different sound to come across. With "Amber" they worked on that sound. Then, the "anti ep" came out and blew me away. The combination of those 3 songs probably make my "best" ep of all time list.

Tri Repetae came out back in 95 and showed their evolving sound into more experimental beat oriented territories and proved to be one of the turning points of IDM/experimental back in the day. "Chiastic Slide" was where it progressed from there up until the unsettling work which became "Confield".

What do you mean Aphex Twin released an album with 500 songs on it? I know it's just a generalization, but Drukqs was an album over a span of probably 2-3 yrs of recordings, so it being a 2 disc set doesn't surprise me. It's one of his most experimental albums and I commend him for it. An electronic musician is just like any other musician. He/she has the freedom to release what he/she wants on a label, but he/she must get respect from the community around him for people to even accept EVERYTHING he/she wants to release. As you notice, the last albums turned out by Aphex and Squarepusher have been inconsistently varied, although I like change within an album in those matters so it keeps me interested. But sometimes, things such as these can go awry and be terrible.

Hey, I'm with you. I prefer quality over quantity as well, and this is why I think Mr. Aaron Funk (aka Venetian Snares) has lost a lot of fans over the past couple years because he just seems to spit out mind junk with the overused, overprocessed samples over and over. Don't get me wrong, he's quite the talented musician, but I see it as an overwhelming personality trait to "get things done very quickly"

So you prefer to listen to Jean Michelle Jarre, eh? I think I listened to one of his "best of" albums as I was getting into electronic music and I liked it. But, to no surprise, I picked it up again just a year ago and felt that it was simplistic wankery.

I suppose everyone has their own opinion

i agree with the most point with you. i just have this bad aftertaste that autechre and aphex twin is something like a religion to many people and its not allowed to critize them.
and yes a artist can release what he wants but a consumer has also the right to critize what he wants.
this thing with Jean Michell Jarre should be just provocating in this forum because i know people would have a problem with him. but yes i listen to most of his older album years ago but i listen to a varity of music.

mysterian · 08-08-2004, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by halcyon days

If there were ever any doubts... you just proved them.

you do not really expect a serious answer on this? sorry for not being hip and trendy enough for your scene. i bet your main music fields are hip hop and electronic but i listen to long and much to music to just focus on few scene genres. and maybe you do not got the point but i wanted to provocate people like you with my comment.

Equinox · 08-09-2004, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mysterian

greatest album made with computers? are you kidding?

no, he's not kidding actually. Some may view it as the best, and some may view it as the worst. It's one of those you think are genius, or you think they just pushed "play" and walked away for the whole album.

Equinox · 08-09-2004, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mysterian

i agree with the most point with you. i just have this bad aftertaste that autechre and aphex twin is something like a religion to many people and its not allowed to critize them.
and yes a artist can release what he wants but a consumer has also the right to critize what he wants.
this thing with Jean Michell Jarre should be just provocating in this forum because i know people would have a problem with him. but yes i listen to most of his older album years ago but i listen to a varity of music.

See, these guys are pioneers and they are always open to be criticized although they influenced the likes of almost EVERYONE making electronic music today, so being critical when talking about them is shunned upon. (not always positively though)

Yes, an artist can release what they want, but if the label feels like it doesn't have any market value, they won't release it, so a lot of these artists are pushed to create their own labels so they can put their own material out (at cost to them).

I understand your point of view on Jarre, and I find his music to be terribly boring and highly simplistic. Even at the time, I feel, it was way too simple, but he's regarded as France's biggest electronic star of the 70's & 80's I guess. I, as well listen to a variety of music, so please don't think you're the only one

mysterian · 08-09-2004, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Equinox

See, these guys are pioneers and they are always open to be criticized although they influenced the likes of almost EVERYONE making electronic music today, so being critical when talking about them is shunned upon. (not always positively though)

Yes, an artist can release what they want, but if the label feels like it doesn't have any market value, they won't release it, so a lot of these artists are pushed to create their own labels so they can put their own material out (at cost to them).

I understand your point of view on Jarre, and I find his music to be terribly boring and highly simplistic. Even at the time, I feel, it was way too simple, but he's regarded as France's biggest electronic star of the 70's & 80's I guess. I, as well listen to a variety of music, so please don't think you're the only one

maybe because you listen to a "best of" album of him. do not understand me wrong, i am not a fan or i do not even listen to his music anymore. i just made this comparison because he was at his time also a kind of pioneer. maybe its the same as you said before, because we do not listened to Oxygène in 77. but i do not really wanted to discuss jarres music. for me Incunabula is also of sort of boring and simplistic for 93. i do not understand why this album get so high marks. i guess, because its autechre and this a kind of religion.

Equinox · 08-09-2004, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mysterian

maybe because you listen to a "best of" album of him. do not understand me wrong, i am not a fan or i do not even listen to his music anymore. i just made this comparison because he was at his time also a kind of pioneer. maybe its the same as you said before, because we do not listened to Oxygène in 77. but i do not really wanted to discuss jarres music. for me Incunabula is also of sort of boring and simplistic for 93. i do not understand why this album get so high marks. i guess, because its autechre and this a kind of religion.

Agreed. I might have felt that way about Jarre's music if I would've heard it when it was released, so it is a valid argument. Classics are characterized as objects that withstand the essence of time and never sound old. I wouldn't call Incunabula a classic, although I wouldn't call it boring either.

...and sure, Autechre may get these high praises just because of the name, but you can't doubt what they've done to open the eyes, ears and heads of everyone.

mysterian · 08-09-2004, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Equinox

Agreed. I might have felt that way about Jarre's music if I would've heard it when it was released, so it is a valid argument. Classics are characterized as objects that withstand the essence of time and never sound old. I wouldn't call Incunabula a classic, although I wouldn't call it boring either.

...and sure, Autechre may get these high praises just because of the name, but you can't doubt what they've done to open the eyes, ears and heads of everyone.

i agree too.

Keef · 08-09-2004, 05:33 AM

I heard Jarres music "at the time" in the 80's and I thought it was great. However in his pre-zoolook years the only thing he did that was pioneering was using only synthesisers and the laser harp.

I find it difficult to listen to anything he's done apart from Zoolook now as while they were quite good tunes, it all seems well.. a little trite now. Enjoyable, but trite and in my opinion there's more than enough enjoyable but trite music out there so I don't bother much any more.

As to autechre standing still.. I can see SOME arguments for that. For example the drum sounds are always more like someone flicking a light switch than anything else. However the focus has changed

I'm going to just touch the albums here..

Innaculabula: Slightly odd music normal sounds
Amber: Slightly odd music, slightly odd sounds
Tri-Repate: Odd music, slightly odd sounds
Chiastic Slide: Odd music, odd sounds
LP5: Very odd music, odd sounds
Confield: Very odd music, very odd sounds
Draft 7:30: Very odd music, fucked sounds

Autechre go more and more "out there" with every release. The problem becomes when you realise your personal threshold, when you can't discern how much more out there something is any more as the previous work was as out there as you get.

For some people, it's NIN, you play them something hard and mad and they say, "that's like that weird band Nine Inch Nails" when to you NIN sound like a pop band.

Anyway, I'm an autechre fan but I still find myself going back to chiastic slide as that's my favourite period of theirs. It's not that I dislike the last 3 albums, it's just not my absolute favourite period of theirs. Pieces like cichli were so emotive and I think they've unfortunatley left their emotive side behind.

Yuli@D · 08-09-2004, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Seba Aethiad

All right, given the landslide that was the "Squarepusher vs. Venetian Snares" poll, I figured I should try again...maybe this will be more of a balanced affair.

So let's have it -- who do you prefer?

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