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Old 08-11-2004, 04:45 AM   #21
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hey, no one mentioned the following:

herbie hancock--sextant (mwandishu band)

lifetime--emergency! & turn it up (mclaughin, young, williams)

spaceways inc.--any (vandermark, mcbride, drake)

bill laswell/miles davis--panthalassa (both)

squarepusher--most of his albums
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Old 08-11-2004, 09:59 AM   #22
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Spaceways Incorporate is by no means fusion... They're more free-jazz with funk leanings...and Squarepusher has Fusion inspired elements to his brand of electronic music, but it's not really Jazz-Rock or Fusion...
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Old 08-11-2004, 02:47 PM   #23
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Seba,
if you wanna get technical technical, sure. but in squarepusher's material, some of
it at least...it's like some modern jaco-infuence-flexing fusion. the spaceways comment
might have been a stretch, but only if you're being really really tight about the style of
rock-jazz fusion in its definition.
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Old 08-11-2004, 04:44 PM   #24
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Free Funk eh?
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Old 08-11-2004, 04:59 PM   #25
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hey, no one mentioned the following:

herbie hancock--sextant (mwandishu band)

lifetime--emergency! & turn it up (mclaughin, young, williams)

spaceways inc.--any (vandermark, mcbride, drake)

bill laswell/miles davis--panthalassa (both)

squarepusher--most of his albums



And here I count Emergency! being mentioned twice.

I also have to agree with Seba that the two Spaceways recordings are not fusion or even jazz-rock.

See my comments on fusion for the rest of those.
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Old 08-19-2004, 10:40 PM   #26
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Moondog is the only real fusionnist (classical, jazz, avant-garde, etc.).
Al Di Meola (all his stuff but especially his latest works : Piazzolla, The Infinite Desire, The Grande Passion, Flesh on flesh ... )
Jean-Luc Ponty : Tchokola, Life enigma, and all his bests albums.
Gary Burton : Crystal Silence and many others
Chick Corea : Return to forever and etc.
Pat Metheny : a lot if not all
John McLaughlin : Thieves and Poet
Mandingo : The Primeval rhythm of Life and Sacrifice
Deodato : Prelude
Uzeb : Fast Emotion


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Old 08-23-2004, 02:41 AM   #27
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Moondog is the only real fusionnist (classical, jazz, avant-garde, etc.).


I think not.
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Old 08-23-2004, 09:15 PM   #28
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I think not.
Easy to say
Why ???


My vision of all these classifications is more a marketing image than anything else. Fusion
is supposed to be the union between Mr. Jazz and Miss Rock. But if you listen carefully to
the Rock and Roll (the real one, the one where we can dance the Rock and Roll (Chuck
Berry and al.)) , it is a simplified version of the swing (compare the classic riffs of
the rock&roll with “In the mood� (Garland/Razaf)). Rock has become almost everything
(anything) that is loud music with screaming singer. Then it becomes everything ... that
rocks

Jimi Hendrix was considered a Rock guitarist, but if you listen carefully to some of his
tunes, there’s jazz in there (e.g. Third Stone of the Sun). Eric Clapton is more into the
blues than the Rock (he plays a lot like Robert Johnson 1911-1938, moreover he plays his
tunes (e.g. Malted milk)). Rock is born from the “basis� of the jazz, it is the chorus (more
or less) without the improvisation, the KISS music (Keep It Stupid Simple, three chords
max). But there's a lot of good music labelled Rock

So for me, Moondog, in the 50s !!! was exploring all the facet of music, unclassifiable.
And like he said : “No the wheel was never invented�. It can't be division so for me it's
real fusion.

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