'But anyone that is a fan of Masada and knows their Jazz history, will tell you it's basically the Jewish version of Ornette Coleman's classic Atlantic Recordings.'

I don't personally agree with this statement.

Masada's music is far more structured to be compared with Coleman's Free Jazz recordings.

Plus it is only a single quartet, instead of a double one.

you are talking about Funny Game, right? that Zorn song at the beginning totally made me laugh.

I recently saw that movie, yes, he was doing everything he could to manipulate audience's expectations and reactions. I actually found that refreshing, more appealing than Spieberg's kind of emotional manipulation, all sentimental and cheese. I don't know how M. Haneke created his movies, so I can't quite comment on that. I also saw The Piano Teacher, good movie.

back to John Zorn, I only have Naked City. I personally don't know shit about jazz, music theory and avant garde. I got the CD basically for the cover, nice weegee photo! oh yeah! I even have the poster somewhere at home. and after purchasing that CD, I know I do not understand his music. I mean I enjoy it but not really my cup of tea. that saves me a lot of money since Zorn got tons of releases.

me too broke and stupid to get into Zorn. good for me!

Yeah, Funny Games...

Wim Wenders and Werner Herzog don't seem to feel the mighty need to moralize you with their films. Wenders especially doesn't believe in that American vs. Euro film crap. Haneke's one the few major foreign filmmakers I don't like. I've given him three chances...the piano teacher was the last straw.

Well, yeah, compared to Spielberg's Instant-Box-Office-Smash-Hit movies, of course Haneke's films are a little more interesting.

I will get back to you on this thread, Roivas...I've just been a bit lazy lately...I have 8 hours between work today and tomorrow, so I'll be spending that time sleeping, but sometime tomorrow I'll try and get to my feelings on Zorn.

(( I just want to write something a bit more involved than just "I like Zorn" ))

I thought you gave up on me! No rush, Seba.

So you think Coleman's entire Atlantic Recordings consists of just one recording, Free Jazz?

Coleman recorded a lot more than Free Jazz for Atlantic. It comes to 6CD's in the Beauty is a Rare Thing box set that Rhino reissued. And the vast majority of them are Quartet recordings. Since I was talking about people who know their Jazz (which Roivas also appeared to be) I didn't think I needed to state the obvious as if they are idiots.

I am the last person you needed to tell that Free Jazz was a double quartet recording. I am not an idiot or completely new to Jazz.

Anyone that knows their Jazz would have known I was not including Free Jazz. And that I was also talking about Coleman's Quartet recordings since Masada is a Quartet.

You're the first person that does not think Masada is not heavily influenced by Coleman's Quartets.

But since you seem to think the entirety of Coleman's Atlantic Recordings consists of just one recording it should not surprise me.

I would check out the link I provided above. Until Seba has time for his more detailed response sometime in 2005.

I go into a bit more detail and I included some excellent Zorn sites you can check out as well.

That Atlantic box set is the only thing I have...so I'm not too confident about expressing personal opinions (although reading the opinions of other Jazz artists in the liner notes is fun...even THEY seem divided regarding Coleman's abilities.)

...maybe that's my problem with Zorn as well. I need to familiarize myself with this type of music a little more.

Re: link...okay, I'm going there now.

I know this is off topic, but how is code unknown, compared with Funny Game and The Piano Teacher, Roivas?

in case you don't go out of this avant garde forum much, I mentioned in the other thread that i like your avatar from Bros Quay.

Nah, shouldn't take that long...check back sometime in late November, I should be good by then...

Anyways, I'm off to work...time to listen to 9 continuous hours of red-neck rock/contemporary country...