Eminem has a lot of skills, no doubt. But if you ask around, you'll hear most people (including most people who liked Em before) say that he isn't anything special (as appears to be the general consensus in this thread).

It's probably because he hasn't been in the limelight very much recently. And because the last albums he dropped were lazy. And because "Lose Yourself" was overplayed like hell. And because he had such a huge role to play in forming the wiggers you see around.

Doesn't mean he didn't have skills though.

I think anyone that has cared enough about rap wouldn't disagree with you when you say that he had skills at some point; but I think he really just fell off (your first three sentences support this). Thats not to say he can't make a come back but hes taking it slow and even he realizes he doesn't have that same skill he once had.

Hes smart and not just sitting in the studios releasing shit albums that he knows will sell merely cause he is Eminem. I'm sure his next album will be great.

Wiggers? You do realize rap, especially commercial rap (which could just as well be called explicit pop), has been huge with white kids since before Eminem right? I don't think he really made white people want to dress and act a certain way anymore than other rappers.

Can't disagree with that.


I'm well aware that there were white people who did the same or similar things before Eminem. Still, I'm convinced that the increase in the "phenomenon" of those who attempt to communicate via ebonics, etc., has been nothing less than meteoric since the arrival of Eminem and that Eminem is the causative factor, in this respect. There is no doubt in my mind (and I believe this can be statistically verified through rap album sales figures) that rap has become that much more popular because of him. And that it would follow that the increase of the wigger demographic is due to him as well.

I've got an Eminem Freestyle tape
it is much better than his official albums

I think that's from person to person different. Some like him, some don't. I don't like his music generally. But 2-3 songs are really nice.

I guess I could see parts of this being true, I really don't think Eminem has as much of a hand in that as your giving him. He definitely attracted a lot of fans that weren't your typical rap fans, IE white nu metal fans from middle America, but I don't think they really explored rap outside of Eminem or changed the way they dressed.

I think kids dressing and acting a certain way is the modern version of being bad or a rebel. It doesn't matter if your black, white or anything else, but just want to come off as fitting a certain image. Maybe Eminem did open that up with whites, I don't really know.

I do know that in Europe there are lots of white kids dressing in what is called an urban style, would be labeled as wiggers by you, and they have no idea who Eminem is.

I don't know what freestyle tapes your talking about but I've got a couple of his freestyles and they are very good. One where the DJ changes the beat on him every 40 seconds or so and he keeps up really well. Another is from the rap olympics a while back. He didn't win but really showed his skill.

I think you would enjoy his older stuff on the album infinite. Similar in style to his freestyles but with a raw bite to it.

Firstly, I understand that wiggers are not an Eminem-exclusive creation. They can exist independently of him. My point was that his works caused a meteoric increase in the specie.

Secondly, I don't think I can presently formulate accurately what a wigger is. But it certainly isn't just a white person who listens to rap and dresses in an urban style. Prima facie, that's okay.

But it should suffice to say that I think that one becomes a wigger when they clearly enter the realm of self-parody as well as that parodying the other culture.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wigger

I guess I took your claim out of what you meant. You are most likely right when you say that Eminem did add an increase, but honestly I don't think you or I could really ever measure that and all we can really do is speculate.

I still hold to my claim that he just added new fans, nu-metal rednecks from middle America, and turned them on to a new genre instead of changing their wardrobe and emulating a lifestyle.

I guess my definition differs from most of those in the link you provided.

As for the conversion of the nu-metal rednecks, I'm sure you're right. Still, there are those who refused to be converted. Not a bad thing in itself but it gets annoying when a fraction of these people say that "rap is crap" and that there's no skill involved because the rappers don't "sing" the verses. When I say annoyed, I'm referring to being bombarded by outright expressions of ignorance as to the genre as a whole. I'm probably talking about the same people who complained so much about having to play a black character in GTA: San Andreas.

Back to Eminem, I hope, like you, that he returns with something fresh which really showcases his talent. I wouldn't listen to him now since he's really been overplayed in those few years. But there's no doubt that he's something special.