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Old 05-16-2005, 01:09 PM   #11
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I come from the field of architecture, but am really interested in how certain movements have influences across all the different arts..

That's, like, a whole graduate level course in itself right there. You must be a big fan of Paul Klee (music and architecture...oh, and painting! All in one!)



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I've heard people calling Noise music 'fascist'

Ever heard this one?:

Atonal music is Communist (because every note has equal importance...no tonal "hierarchy").
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Old 05-16-2005, 04:44 PM   #12
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who said that?

Atonal music is Communist (because every note has equal importance...no tonal "hierarchy").[/quote]
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Old 05-17-2005, 08:33 AM   #13
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Basically, any critic of atonal music said that (who wasn't a communist himself).


Stefan Wolpe didn't help matters much.

Today, most criticism looks like this:
http://www.credenda.org/issues/13-3musica.php
From some Fundie Christian site I found after googling "Schoenberg."

Thought out? No.

Sorry, I have to vent:

From the same online magazine (Volume 15, Issue 4: Musica):

"It is called The Dorian Service because the music is set in the Dorian mode which is the white note scale from D to D (good so far...). Thus the scale has its half steps between the third and fourth degrees of the scale and the sixth and seventh degrees of the scale."

WRONG! THAT'S THE MIXOLYDIAN MODE!


"It sounds like a minor scale with a flat seventh instead of a leading tone seventh which approaches the tonic by a half step."

A MINOR SCALE ALWAYS HAS A b7 UNLESS YOU RAISE THE 6TH AND/OR 7TH DEGREES (WHICH IS THE EXCEPTION)! THAT'S BASIC, YO! Anyway, we're talking about Church Polyphony here...the raised 6 and 7 scale degrees don't really start popping up until the major/minor system comes to power.


"Its sister mode, the Hypodorian, which is the same scale but using more low notes (!), was considered by Tallis as majestic."

WRONG! IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MODE (what we now call the AEOLIAN MODE)!

Morons! They think they can sit in some hopelessly remote ivory tower and criticize Wagner and Schoenberg? They can't even grasp undergraduate-level music theory. SIT IN THE IDIOT CORNER!!! DO NOT PASS GO!!! DO NOT COLLECT $200!!!

DUNCE!!!!!

The italics are mine, yo!

Okay, I feel better now.
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Old 05-17-2005, 03:17 PM   #14
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Thank you, dos bastos, for your crash course in postmodernism! That makes things much clearer !
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Old 05-17-2005, 05:50 PM   #15
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Interesting post Rovias, and you even gave the source for the parts, which are not your own.
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Old 05-18-2005, 07:49 AM   #16
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I think I'm the first person to get angry about modes in over 500 years.
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Old 05-18-2005, 07:57 AM   #17
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Interesting post Rovias, and you even gave the source for the parts, which are not your own.

Rovias?

That's Rovais Rashaad, man. Get it right.
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Old 05-18-2005, 02:09 PM   #18
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Rovias?

That's Rovais Rashaad, man. Get it right.



I just wanted to see, if you were paying attention. At least, that's my story, and I am sticking to it.


However, touché to my man Roivas.
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